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Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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Wait, -paying- users get ads in the US? Then why do they pay?

It's only the ads that the podcasters put in themselves. They are not the Spotify ads.

It's odd, though, that Rogan's podcast only started doing mid-episode ads after the move to Spotify. Prior to the move the only ads were at the beginning of the episode.

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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Says people who don’t watch joe rogan. Joe rogan has two kinds of guests: experts/scientists and show biz people. The former are why I watch the podcast. And I think it’s important because it gives a platform to people are being ignored by the mainstream. Take for example Paul Saladino. Watch that podcast and tell me it’s pseudo science. You can’t because he’s meticulously citing a paper and bringing up that paper to…

> Says people who don’t watch joe rogan. Joe rogan has two kinds of guests: experts/scientists and show biz people. As someone who has been listening to Joe (on and off) for ~5 years, it's hard to believe that you haven't noticed a trend in the type of guests Joe has on in past year. I really feel it used to be that Joe would have on a wide range of people but now it seems that he's created an echo chamber. For examp…

Dogmatic... really? It's hard for me to think of a less dogmatic public figure. His views are all over the place, change frequently, and aren't at all consistent with each other. His critics (on both right and left) generally seem to want him to be more dogmatic, not less; they want him to be consistent with their own preferred dogma.

To me Joe comes across as someone who's figuring it out as they go and doesn't have a filter. I personally find this refreshing compared to zealots who are certain they have all the right answers on very nuanced and complex topics.

Edit: Ok downvoters, what is Joe Rogan's "dogma"? Honest question.

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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Money aside, I personally feel the Spotify deal was terrible for Rogan. He does more for Spotify than they do for him. Not least of which because Spotify, while pretty great for music, is terrible as a podcast player. And, yeah, he has gone off the deep end since the Spotify deal. Somebody dumping a giant basket of cash on your doorstep probably does the ego no favors.

Spotify is terrible for podcasts, but 100mil $ is enough (on top of $$$ he already has) to not care about nuances of does he gives them more than they gave him.

I think 100 million isn't much considering the amount of influence he has. I guess getting an upfront 100 million is better than over the years though. Does anyone know how long his contract is with Spotify? It's it's longer than 2-3 years then he's losing money imo.

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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Being a comedian does not magically relieve a person from their responsibility to not credulously spread around dangerous pseudoscience during a pandemic. Plus, that's simply not very funny. By the way, GP did not say "be more serious", as you likely know. They said he should take his enormous reach more seriously.

If you give a monkey a machine gun, and the monkey shoots someone, we don't blame the monkey. Society has always had court jesters who poke fun at authority. If you take health and epidemiology advice from a comedian then that's on you.

Joe Rogan is the one giving the gun is your scenario, so you're claiming we should blame him?

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You're asking a professional comedian to be more serious? Are you actually serious or is that a joke?

Being a comedian does not magically relieve a person from their responsibility to not credulously spread around dangerous pseudoscience during a pandemic. Plus, that's simply not very funny. By the way, GP did not say "be more serious", as you likely know. They said he should take his enormous reach more seriously.

Every influential social network already has disclaimers with links to authoritative information about C-19 for those who choose to inform themselves.

"Visit the covid 19 information center to learn more"

These are all over and post on Facebook, Youtube, Twitter, etc whenever certain keywords trigger it. I think this is not enough. We need to replace all right of center entertainment with videos of Dr Fauci reminding us to wash our hands, wear masks, get our shots and do the right thing by staying home. Not enough people are getting this message.

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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I think anyone would take that deal for $100 million. Joe's the real winner while people argue in the comments about this or that about his podcast. Clearly, having controversial guests on is fantastic for his podcast's influence. I don't think Spotify is good for podcasts in general. I much prefer to consume podcasts with my own clients and workflows. Even youtube is better since it actually works well unlike the sp…

Exactly. I used to enjoy Joe Rogan, but I have my podcast system and I'm unwilling to change. I'm absolutely not going to change from a working federated system via RSS/atom xml to a centralized system where the employees throw a hissy fit about crime-think. I'm sure Spotify converted many customers and at $100 million, Joe Rogan won regardless.

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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You're asking a professional comedian to be more serious? Are you actually serious or is that a joke?

Comedy is a profession. Professionals should take their job seriously. Just because the product is fun and games doesn’t mean social responsibility ends.

Comedy is an occupation, not a profession. Actual professions have specialized training, a defined body of knowledge, ethical standards, and a formal certification process. For example: law, medicine, teaching, architecture, accountancy. Comedians have no more social responsibility than any other random person. There's no comedian's guild that's going to kick out a comic for being irresponsible.

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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I am a free speech absolutist. The answer to speech you don't like is more speech, not censorship.

Please don't spread confusion about what "free speech" means. I'm sure you are not actually confused about this, so please do not pretend to be. Having some people not appear on a given podcast is not a "free speech" issue. Choosing to not be a dangerous idiot by having dangerous idiots on your show during a pandemic is not "censorship" or anything remotely close to censorship as it is commonly, and correctly, unders…

> Please don't spread confusion about what "free speech" means.

I'm not confused.

> Choosing to not be a dangerous idiot by having dangerous idiots on your show during a pandemic is not "censorship" or anything remotely close to censorship as it is commonly, and correctly, understood.

When someone decides for me that "dangerous idiots" should not have a voice -- for whatever justification -- I'm against them having the ability to act on that impulse. The wonderful thing about free speech is that if you don't like it, you're free not to listen to it.

Every censor has started from the premise that they're doing good. I don't agree with your opinions, and I'm not so feeble-minded as to be unable to decide for myself what I see.

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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I agree with everything that's already been said in this thread, but I've noticed one thing that hasn't been discussed at all.

I live in a rural area where network connectivity is poor at worst and intermittent at best. I spent years watching Rogan on YouTube with nothing but network problems. Watching Rogan was a chore in the previous scenario, and YouTube did not make it easy.

Once Rogan moved to Spotify, I never had a single problem with network connectivity. I could use the app to seamlessly switch between audio and video, and it was easy to both find and browse previous podcasts and quickly queue them up to play or watch. I could never do this before in a poor connectivity environment, but Spotify made all of this possible.

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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CDC is working with limited information on a novel virus. As they are learning more they are shifting their guidance to match the current understanding about how the virus spreads.

CDC knowingly lied about masks, though. They knew internally they should be used to mitigate spread, but publicly discouraged their use. There was no new information. There were only lies.

That's because they were dealing with idiots, if you don't want to be treated like idiots, don't be idiots.
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