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My small revenge on Apple

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Re: My small revenge on Apple

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It's not 100% good though :) I'm a user and I wouldn't touch "signin with Apple" with a 10 foot pole. That's waaaay too much lock-in.

> I'm a user and I wouldn't touch "signin with Apple" with a 10 foot pole. For Apple device owners there's significant upside and little-to-no downside. You not wanting to use it doesn't mean that it isn't 100% good for Apple device users. > That's waaaay too much lock-in. If the app developer cared, they'd give you a way to migrate your credentials. Anyway, you don't have to use it if you don't want to. Apple just m…

> Anyway, you don't have to use it if you don't want to.

As a developer? Oh yes I do! That's exactly what we're talking about.

And it's not going to fly for very long because Apple has over half of the smart phone users in the United States. This is the reason we have anti-trust laws. They're going to be knocked down a few notches soon in my opinion.

That I can't build an app business in the United States without going through Apple is a problem.

Re: My small revenge on Apple

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Oh? Microsoft got in trouble for using the Windows monopoly to 1.) gain market share for their free browser and 2.) forcing OEMs to not sell alternative operating systems so they could keep their Windows monopoly. You can read all about that here [0] That's exactly the kind of behavior that Apple is exhibiting here. It's pretty easy to come along and say that I'm "ignoring the basic facts of the case" though without…

They got in trouble for lock in. Their integration of Internet Explorer practically made out the de facto implementation and made Windows the de facto operating system on machines. But again, Sign In with Apple sits in addition to the other offerings, it doesn’t replace them, and in no case are developers expected to be unable to offer regular sign in with email. To my mind, you’re not wrong, but making a rather diff…

It's not different. On Windows, everybody could always install a different browser or OS. Nobody stopped them from doing that.

Re: My small revenge on Apple

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What happens when Apple stops being on fire, and you are trapped in their ecosystem and can't get out? I won't argue that Apple makes the nicest and most comfortable golden cuffs, but in the end they're still chains.

That's an easy one. To answer your question you need to do to things. - Try to export your photos from Google Photos - Try to export you photos from Apple Photos Let us compare those two, shall we? Google Photos: - stored in cloud - no _synchronisation option_ - export exists but you loose metadata unless if you do it through API so third-party sync is not possible as well Options to get your data back: - Manually se…

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Re: My small revenge on Apple

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> trapped in their ecosystem How so? I think I could easily pull all my data out. Files are, well, files; contacts and calendars can be exported in standard formats; photos are stored as JPEG or raw; music is MPEG-4; e-books are epubs; whatever. Sure, I'll lose some features, but that's because other platforms don't offer those features, not because Apple is heinously putting extra effort into locking up my data.

> e-books are epubs Are you sure ? I don’t use iBook but it doesn’t look to me like you can just export them as e-pubs and be done with it: https://www.igeeksblog.com/how-to-export-ibooks-from-iphone-...

Not sure actually, I realised I have never bought a book from Apple. The books I have in Apple Books are all epubs though. So, the program can deal with that format, but not sure what format purchased books have.

Re: My small revenge on Apple

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I am going to assume you haven't read/understood everything I wrote I don't force users to use Google/FB. They can use traditional email signup just fine Emails could be masked before Apple ID came along. Namely, gmail addresses let you do this. So it's not anything new or revolutionary. Users could use that to sign up for Groups before I would have probably ended up implementing Apple ID, but the fact that they forc…

> Emails could be masked before Apple ID came along. Namely, gmail addresses let you do this. How? I've used gmail for over a decade now, and I have no idea how to do that with my address. > I don't trust FB or Google either And yet you have no qualms providing a login through either of them both in the app and on the web. So much for "I care about security and privacy".

https://www.labnol.org/internet/disposable-email-address/280...

Re: My small revenge on Apple

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You can judge my post as a tantrum, and I won't even take offense, friend Now I ask you this: how far are you willing to go to further a good cause? Watching from the sides feels more comfortable, but we are being decimated and doing nothing won't change a thing. We need to act now, or watch our profession/hobby/passion be used to fatten the already morbidly overweight big tech companies

What is the “good cause” here? You’re just being user hostile and fighting a feature that is highly beneficial for users! If anything, it is Apple that’s fighting a good cause here.

Does something being beneficial for users justify anything?

Enslaving the entire Uber driver or deliveroo poor sod population is arguably beneficial for users. But, is it right? Plenty of jurisdictions have already spoken that these workers have rights. Nobody has made a ruling regarding developers yet

The "iMentality" can't possibly extend to wishing that Apple treats other human beings like **. Can it? If so, we may have gone back in time to even before the 1860s

Re: My small revenge on Apple

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Frankly, I couldn't care less about whether you trust the app or not The fact is, I send 0 emails and privacy and security are top priorities. I am passionate about E2E encryption so I have integrated loads of that in the app too The only purpose an email address serves is password recovery. Period TBH I am a bit tired of people trusting big tech so much. They are businesses, meant to make money. I make no money and…

To be clear: This is not meant as a direct attack, just to highlight some of the pitfalls of creating your own e2ee chat protocol. I had a quick look at your app's e2ee and summarized my findings here: https://telegra.ph/Reviewing-the-app-behind-My-small-revenge... Feel free to correct.

I also noticed that you created your HN user to post just this, and the telegrap.ph link doesn't allow comments (nor show who you are). Given that you've decided to publish this without asking first if it's correct, I'd appreciate that you either make a reference to this item on HN or amend the specific points I mentioned. I noticed some E2E error messages coming from the trace which means that you (I assume it was you) have been tinkering with it/trying to break it. This is fine, and if you manage to do that, power to you. But if you fail to compromise the encryption then please also consider being a bit less harsh in your conclusion (considering what I've told you)

Finally, I am happy to let you have a peek at the source code if you want to know more about it. I want to OS it but can't get around my paranoia of doing so. You'd just have to make your identity known and offer an email address or similar

Re: My small revenge on Apple

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Only the naive and the ignorant believe that Apple cares about users privacy. All their "privacy" features are just designed to collect more and more data about its users. Even unnecessary data. And they get away with it because of marketing that leads people like you to believe that they can be "trusted" with your data - the same data they use, and will use, to make more money. They have already restarted their adve…

Apple Maps: >“We specifically don’t collect data, even from point A to point B,” notes Cue. “We collect data — when we do it — in an anonymous fashion, in subsections of the whole, so we couldn’t even say that there is a person that went from point A to point B. We’re collecting the segments of it. The segments that he is referring to are sliced out of any given person’s navigation session. Neither the beginning or t…

"The iPhone continues to store location data even when location services are disabled, contrary to Apple’s previous claims. The Wall Street Journal did independent testing on an iPhone and found that even after turning off location services, the device was still collecting information on nearby cell towers and Wi-Fi access points."

2011: iPhone's Location-Data Collection Can't Be Turned Off - https://www.wired.com/2011/04/iphone-location-opt-out/

"Your iPhone tracks your location for a variety of reasons. It tracks you to calibrate sensors and to improve services, but also to show you ads."

2019: How to stop your iPhone from tracking your location - https://www.cnbc.com/2019/12/19/your-apple-iphone-tracks-whe...

2019: It’s the middle of the night. Do you know who your iPhone is talking to? - https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2019/05/28/its-mid...

"The best way to keep something secret is not to capture and store it in the first place. And that’s the crux of the privacy versus convenience debate now redefining our applications and software-based services ... Yes, maybe what happens on an iPhone stays on an iPhone, but some data should not be captured in the first place. Nothing more so than the significant invasiveness of Apple’s significant locations concept—a perfect illustration of just because you can, doesn’t mean you should. This is a continually building data repository of the locations you visit, along with times and dates, detailed maps, even the mode of transport to get you there and how long it took."

2020: Why You Should Stop This ‘Hidden’ Location Tracking On Your iPhone - https://www.forbes.com/sites/zakdoffman/2020/10/04/apple-iph...

“Both iOS and Google Android transmit telemetry, despite the user explicitly opting out of this,” wrote researcher Douglas Leith from Trinity College in Ireland, in a recently published academic report ... “To date, Apple have responded only with silence (we sent three emails to Apple’s director of user privacy, who declined even to acknowledge receipt of an email,” Leith wrote. Since then, Apple has made public statements critical of Leith’s research and insisting privacy and opt-out measures do exist.

2021: Apple, Google Both Track Mobile Telemetry Data, Despite Users Opting Out - https://threatpost.com/google-apple-track-mobile-opting-out/...

"And there’s also a more fundamental issue with this technology. Its euphemistic description as a “crowdsourced” way to recover lost items belies the reality of how these items are tracked. What you won’t find highlighted in the polished marketing statements is the fact that AirTags can only work by tapping into an Apple-operated surveillance network in which millions of us are unwitting participants."

2021: Remember, Apple AirTags and ‘Find My’ app only work because of a vast, largely covert tracking network - https://theconversation.com/remember-apple-airtags-and-find-...

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As for "anonymising" user data, Apple has enough data points on its users from various services and sources it collects its user data from to make it meaningless.

Re: My small revenge on Apple

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Apple is not going anywhere, but they can terminate your account on a whim: https://appleinsider.com/articles/21/04/20/man-sues-apple-fo... So has Google, and presumably the other platforms as well.

Exactly, the same thing can happen with Google, so are you suggesting that users should not use direct email signup with Gmail either?

Yes, or at least not with a @gmail.com domain. Running Google Apps with a custom domain you own and Google can't snatch away is fine (well, apart from the privacy implications of giving Google free rein to read your emails, of course). That means not using Google as your registrar, obviously.
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