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Re: Microsoft announces Windows 11

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Post by josteink »

michaelbrave wrote: post #443
satysin wrote: post #94

So to summerize what they have announced (so far) - * A new look task bar. Centred similar to the macOS dock by default but lacking the ability to position on any other screen edge? * A new start menu design * Windows have rounded corners * Some built in apps such as the Xbox app and Microsoft Store have been redesigned (Xbox Game Pass and xCloud built into the Xbox app) * New touch keyboard (SwiftKey?) with improved…

> * TPM 2.0 and UEFI are hardware requirements. No legacy BIOS compatibility at all? This is a dealbreaker for me, guess I won't be upgrading and will use linux most of the time instead of half of the time going forward

Just out of curiosity, what part do you find troublesome? TPM, UEFI or both? And why?

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Post by flumpcakes »

jmull wrote: post #335
MarcScott wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I might be wrong (not a developer), but I thought within the official stores, in-app purchases were subject to 30%, as standard, going to the platform provider. At least that's what I understand with regard to Apple and Google stores.

I see now… the Microsoft store will let publishers collect payments in alternative ways. That’s well and good, but I don’t see that as a big deal because the microsoft app store isn’t that important. The problem with the Apple ios app store isn’t that they have a specific, restricted payments mechanism. It’s that it’s the only practical way for developers to distribute native software to iOS devices.

I think this is important to Microsoft, and actually quite a smart move. By letting other people use the Microsoft/Windows Store app natively built into windows, with their own billing infrastructure, they basically kill off any reason to have other applications for buying/installing software.

Imagine if Steam allowed Blizzard/Activision/EA to sell their games on the Steam store, and as long as they pay their own hosting/billing infrastructure costs, Valve takes no cut?

I think that would immediately kill the need for EA/Ubisoft/Blizzard/etc. to ever need their own applications to sell software.

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Post by Guest19023892 »

BiteCode_dev wrote: post #291
nguyenkien wrote: post #222

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But if you want get android app from playstore, you still need google account. Same for iOS, and it's even worst than android, since you can't sideload apps

I used android for 5 years without an account. You can side load, use fdroid or apkpure.

Why not create a throwaway account? When you setup the phone, just go through the process of setting up your fake Google account, and don't use it for anything aside from the Play Store for easily downloading and updating apps.

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Post by wtallis »

k12sosse wrote: post #424
MereInterest wrote: post #409

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I thought Windows 9 was the good one that would have come between Windows 8 and 10. Because 10 certainly isn't a good one (looking at you, fantastically broken start menu search that needs frequent re-indexing).

Version parity with competitors. It's stupid but a thing. At least they didn't straight up call it Windows X.

It was less about version parity with Apple and more about avoiding bugs in applications that would have mistaken a Windows 9 for a member of the 95/98/98SE family.

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Post by kylemuir »

miroz wrote: post #329
literallyaduck wrote: post #288

Every time this happens someone says fuck it and installs Linux. After two weeks some of them come back, but the Linux market share grows. I want an OS that stays current on security patches, attempts to be as unobtrusive as possible, allows for Desktop Environment customization but has sane defaults. I don't want special integrations. The OS should follow single responsibility and defer special functionality to app…

I did this when Vista came out. I said fuck it and installed Ubuntu, I had enough of Microsoft bullshit. Then Ubuntu upgraded and moved all window icons to the left side and rearranged them awkwardly. On the next update, they upgraded the sound subsystem and I was without sound until I bought my next PC. Another update came and computer went to sleep when watching movies, so I had to move the mouse every minute to fi…

I've been using Linux Mint for years now and really enjoy it. It looks good, works with most things out of the box and I've had minimal issues with it.

It's a bloated distro since it tries to cater to most set ups and ships with drivers, etc that you might not need which will annoy the purists but for me the compatibility and things just working is more valuable.

I only use it on a desktop PC so YMMV.

These days I only use Windows for work as that's what my company uses and for games that don't work with Proton.

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Post by npteljes »

typh00n wrote: post #345

I really do like Windows, but it has a lot of issues for me: Pushing its users to Microsoft Accounts, telemetry, ads, bloatware it automatically installs, and last but not least inconsistencies all the way through the OS - and adding another design-layer with windows 11 wont help that. I think microsoft really need to address some of this and get back to the needs of "prosumers". I personally want a slim but nice loo…

"Pushing" really is the thing that bother me most about Windows. Just so pushy about a lot of stuff. Putting things here, there, switching it around, turning it off when it was always on, and vice versa. I just have the feeling that it very strongly wants something, and that's not what I want.

Windows as a requirement is really unfortunate. I have the same reasons as you to keep it around. Win compatibility came a really, really long way, but anti-cheat will always be a problem, which cuts out a good chunk of games.

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Post by achn »

eljimmy wrote: post #413

I wonder if Microsoft would ever release a flavor of Windows targeted at the user who wants a minimalist but equally powerful OS which gives the user absolute control. Someone who wants local only accounts, bare-bones UI, no tablet or touch screen support, no app stores or telemetry, no integrations, just plain old Windows. Wishful thinking, probably.

Very wishful, unfortunately. The entire goal of this update is to move windows closer to an AppStore model where MS makes money off of driving the behaviour of its users and monetizing external developers. Even on the server, admins have less and less control over the services running.

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Post by ddmma »

beardyw wrote: post #356
JamesAdir wrote: post #27

Anyone has a good guess why Microsoft needed to bump the version? All of these updates seems something that can be easily updated to Windows 10 in several or one half year update. Is this something related to it's corporate clients or licensing services? Really can't understand why a need to create a new version with so much hype, when they've announced in the past that W10 will be the last Windows version.

I am certain that they said 10 was to be the final version of Windows. On the strength of that I decided I didn't want 10 so my only option was to jump ship (to Linux). I wonder how many others did? Saying that I doubt I would want 11 either, but that's academic now.

Also Star Wars was considered the ca last movies in the series. Different management will always have new vision.

Re: Microsoft announces Windows 11

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Post by npteljes »

JoshTriplett wrote: post #124
po1nter wrote: post #104

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Windows 11 will be a free upgrade: https://www.theverge.com/2021/6/24/22546801/microsoft-window...

Looks like that news just came out. Glad to hear it. Now let's hope it's an automatic upgrade for as many Windows 10 users as possible.

I hope so too. The more they annoy the users the better.
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