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Re: Brave Search beta

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Post by ocdtrekkie »

lern_too_spel wrote: post #337
smsm42 wrote: post #321

Earlier quoted context omitted.

robots.txt is not a legal contract. It's just a convention to express the wishes of the site author, but there's no legal obligation to follow these wishes.

It does indicate that those other sites want Google to scrape them, while Google does not want others to scrape their results, which is an important distinction ocdtrekkie ignored for whether the scrapee will want to take legal action.

You may wish to review https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2019/09/victory-ruling-hiq-v-l...

Google Search results are definitely "public data" so long as Google provides them to anyone who asks.

Re: Brave Search beta

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Post by jonathansampson »

SahAssar wrote: post #276
jonathansampson wrote: post #67

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That's a misleading way to frame it; Brave distributed BAT tokens to its users at the time (this was in 2018). We then asked those users to give (or "mark") those tokens to their favorite content creators. Some gave them to verified creators (who were shown with a check-mark, similar to Twitter), while others gave them to unverified creators (who had no distinguishing marks, similar again to Twitter). When the creato…

When comparing to twitter you fail to mention two large differences: 1. You don't donate to people via twitter. 2. The people on twitter actually signed up for twitter. If you actually think it was a mistake then perhaps stop defending it. If you don't think it was a mistake then stop explaining away to controversy by saying it was "naive UI/UX".

I'm defending the model, but not that particular iteration of the UI/UX. People weren't donating their own money at the time either; they were effectively telling Brave who they'd like to support. Brave would then take Brave's BAT tokens (which we set aside for this purpose), and marked them for that creator (we would then engage in outreach efforts).

Re: Brave Search beta

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Post by jonathansampson »

smoldesu wrote: post #213
jonathansampson wrote: post #169

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The BAT (and before it, Bitcoin) is there as an optional feature. It's not on or enabled by default. It's there for users who wish to anonymously earn rewards for their attention, and use those rewards to support content creators on the Web.

...except those "rewards" don't ever reach the creators pockets, unless they're savvy enough to make their own ERC wallet and go through the collection process.

[This post describes the behavior of Brave Payments in last 2018. It is not an accurate description for how the system works today, in 2021].

No, creators did not have to be savvy enough to make their own ERC-20 wallet. We worked with Uphold at the time. Creators could verify with Uphold (a wallet would be created for them), and we would then send Brave's BAT (earmarked for the creator by Brave users) from our own settlement wallet over to the creator.

Re: Brave Search beta

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Post by distrill »

jay_kyburz wrote: post #438
jonathansampson wrote: post #409

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That's not how it works. Brave blocks third-party ads and trackers (which are known to be dangerous) on behalf of its users (the same users who were installing uBlock Origin in Chrome and Firefox before coming to Brave). This is a security and privacy necessity on the Web today. Users are then able to opt-in, if they like, to a novel advertising platform within the Brave ecosystem. These users can earn rewards for th…

Hi Jonathan, here is my hot take on the issue. When a user installs uBlock Origin, they are attempting to protect themselves from ads, not just privacy, but because the ads themselves attempt to manipulate them into buying things. When Brave blocks ads in one place, but shows others ads instead, the users are not actually protected from the ads, any potential money that may have been generated by the ads is effective…

> When a user installs uBlock Origin, they are attempting to protect themselves from ads, not just privacy, but because the ads themselves attempt to manipulate them into buying things

I'm not sure where you're getting this statistic. Most people that I know, myself included, aren't trying to protect themselves from buying things, rather from annoying ads that clutter everything up and slow everything down. Perhaps brave isn't the best choice for you, but it certainly will be a good choice for a lot of people who are currently using adblockers.

Re: Brave Search beta

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Post by distrill »

jonathansampson wrote: post #434
smoldesu wrote: post #425

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As much as I know you want to chime in here, I'm not going to play any games where you draw the goalposts. My current options are the following: 1. I can continue to use Vivaldi and uBlock origin as a completely open-source and so far flawless combo or 2. Go out of my way to switch to a browser with dubious privacy claims, a goddamn personal cryptocurrency and (the cherry on top) a developer who spent the better half…

Happy to hear that you're staying safe online. Nobody is tracking you down though. You and I happen to be on the same page, engaging in conversation. Check my comment history and you'll see that you make up only a small fraction of the individuals to whom I have responded. All the best to you though; sincerely wish you well.

You have more patience than I would have had in this thread. I guess it's your job to be patient though, or at least to deal with occasionally nasty elements of the community.

Re: Brave Search beta

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Post by jonathansampson »

annoyingnoob wrote: post #308
jonathansampson wrote: post #243

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Brave doesn't collect user data. We believe in Can't be Evil over Don't be Evil .

To be clear, I only mentioned 'data' generically and not 'user data' specifically. Its clear that Brave Ads collects data, even if you don't consider that data to be user data .

Correct. Data is collected. We detail that data and the privacy-preserving process by which it is collected at https://www.brave.com/p3a/. When you consider the type of data collected, it's clear why Brave is still identified as the "most private" browser among leading options: https://www.scss.tcd.ie/Doug.Leith/pubs/browser_privacy.pdf. Everything we do is designed for user-privacy and security, first and foremost. No amount of data is worth breaking your trust.

Re: Brave Search beta

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Post by jonathansampson »

TedDoesntTalk wrote: post #327
allyourhorses wrote: post #106

Based on the principles in the blog post alone ( https://brave.com/brave-search-beta/ ), this will obviously be my new default search until it's proven sufficiently unusable. DDG's usability has always been a bit of a problem for me, it feels more like a perl wrapper over some search bookmarks than an engine in its own right. Will give this one a go for a while, there is literally every reason to try and few reasons…

I going to try it, too, but I'm concerned that I only get 1 page of search results regardless of the search term. Weird.

People rarely venture beyond the first page of results. That being said, we've filed an issue to consider adding additional pages of results too. Thank you for the feedback!

Re: Brave Search beta

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Post by necessities »

About a year ago I tried a few different web browsers (chrome, safari, firefox, and brave) to see which had the best user experience and which one I thought had the most value to add to me as a user. I settled on Brave because;

1. I don't have to install a adblocker or any third party extensions out of the gate. - Third party ones never seem to do the job on the other browsers.

2. Their form of rewarding creators is superior, in my opinion, to having creators appeal to a ad serving service for support. - I also find the rewards from viewing ads amusing and have even clicked on a few of the ads.

3. They seem to be the most engaged project with technology trends right now...

I will also mention that their bookmark system works for me. The one feature I find to be missing is having the bookmark icons stay centered in the bar as they can in safari.

It's not too hard for me to imagine that in ten years 90% of users will be using Brave and we will be here again talking about another new web browser on the scene shaking things up from the Brave status quo (instead of how we are with google).

Re: Brave Search beta

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Post by jonathansampson »

allyourhorses wrote: post #411
allyourhorses wrote: post #106

Based on the principles in the blog post alone ( https://brave.com/brave-search-beta/ ), this will obviously be my new default search until it's proven sufficiently unusable. DDG's usability has always been a bit of a problem for me, it feels more like a perl wrapper over some search bookmarks than an engine in its own right. Will give this one a go for a while, there is literally every reason to try and few reasons…

> Fully private. No profiles. > Brave Search doesn't track you or your queries. Ever. It's impossible for us to share, sell, or lose your data, because we don't collect it in the first place So eh, Brave's search is actually running through Amazon CloudFront load balancers. This wasn't quite my first idea of privacy. At the very least, it means searches are likely being logged at least once, and stored using some pol…

That JSON endpoint for Independence metrics is what feeds the Independence Score on Brave Search. Click on the to view your own score (provided you have performed a sufficient number of searches). Current global score is 87% at the time of this writing. More information at https://search.brave.com/help/independence.

Re: Brave Search beta

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Post by jonathansampson »

necessities wrote: post #458

About a year ago I tried a few different web browsers (chrome, safari, firefox, and brave) to see which had the best user experience and which one I thought had the most value to add to me as a user. I settled on Brave because; 1. I don't have to install a adblocker or any third party extensions out of the gate. - Third party ones never seem to do the job on the other browsers. 2. Their form of rewarding creators is…

Thank you for the kind words and support! Please do let us know if there is ever anything we can do for you.
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