Facebook extends its work-at-home policy to most employees • Hacker News Board

Re: Facebook extends its work-at-home policy to most employees

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Post by baby » Thu, Jun 10, 2021, 9:39 PM UTC

screye wrote: post #278

magneticnorth wrote: post #29

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I'm curious to hear why - what do you see as the drawback of more remote coworkers?

I'm in a similar situation, so I guess I can answer. I start in a new role soon and particularly requested a team with no more than 1 day wfh/week. I work in a applied ML and really, the technical aspects of the jobs are the 'easiest', ie. most well defined. In most cases focus + time will be sufficient for me to produce technical work. However, the real challenges lie at the intersections of models, infra, code, pro…

> I start in a new role soon

> My coworkers are my good friends

I think you need to make friends outside work. Live a little.

Re: Facebook extends its work-at-home policy to most employees

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Post by baby » Thu, Jun 10, 2021, 9:39 PM UTC

digbert wrote: post #39

magneticnorth wrote: post #29

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I'm curious to hear why - what do you see as the drawback of more remote coworkers?

Mostly that by having remote co-workers I get many of the downsides of remote work without any of the upsides. Once a few colleagues are remote, all collaboration has to assume remote as the default. Even if I'm in the office I'm still stuck with remote collaboration, but I still have a commute.

How is remote making collaboration worse since it forces people to overcommunicate?

Re: Facebook extends its work-at-home policy to most employees

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Post by heavyset_go » Thu, Jun 10, 2021, 9:57 PM UTC

A4ET8a8uTh0 wrote: post #260

My company has already started its effort to bring all of us back in. There are some exceptions, but it is not clear, who can get it, so it is the usual corporate free for all, which means basically what it always did.. if boss likes us you, they may bestow a favor upon you. Throughout the entire pandemic experience I have become noticeably more cynical, but I have to admit I did not see the ridiculous corporate prop…

> but I have to admit I did not see the ridiculous corporate propaganda 'sitting in traffic is good for you' coming.

Well, someone needs to deal with the repercussions of employers' multiyear leases and investments in real estate. You are a team player, aren't you?

Re: Facebook extends its work-at-home policy to most employees

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Post by mmastrac » Thu, Jun 10, 2021, 10:10 PM UTC

screye wrote: post #256

majormajor wrote: post #88

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I'm assuming this is facetious, but... high performers are potentially big winners in a remote world. Let's say someone gets 5x the person next to them done. Very few companies will pay them 5x. Maybe double... But if they can manage their time well enough to get X done in some fraction of the time, they could realistically do two or three full time jobs worth of "normal" work, and increase their pay - and income sec…

A high performer that can produce 5x on a consistent basis in one job will only be able to produce maybe 2.5x on multiple jobs with significantly more convoluted career progression and schedules. Context switching and context setting are both quite difficult. But a 5xer will quickly promoted to principal level (L6) within a decade of entering their industry if they hop around a couple of times. L6s usually make 2.5x…

Man this is true. I tried splitting a week between two contract gigs and I was wiped out by end-of-week. It wasn't worth the money.

Re: Facebook extends its work-at-home policy to most employees

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Post by fctorial » Thu, Jun 10, 2021, 10:20 PM UTC

dreyfan wrote: post #439

raydev wrote: post #434

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How do you prevent them from suing you if they find out?

This is the US, anyone can sue anyone for anything. That said, California has very favorable employee-protection laws around non-compete, non-solicit, notice periods, at-will employment status, and ownership of work. It's very unlikely an employer will sue over $10-20k. So far, they all just fire me and move on.

Not to mention if he gets caught in one job, he will lose a bunch of other jobs as well.

Re: Facebook extends its work-at-home policy to most employees

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Post by baby » Thu, Jun 10, 2021, 10:22 PM UTC

cratermoon wrote: post #266

Are they still doing the "you get paid based on where you live, not how valuable you are to the company" thing?

It was always like that tbh, west coast makes more than east cost which makes more than europe employees

Re: Facebook extends its work-at-home policy to most employees

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Post by baby » Thu, Jun 10, 2021, 10:24 PM UTC

roberto wrote: post #433

missedthecue wrote: post #181

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It will be bad for the permanent wfh employees. While they are eating lunch at home, their coworkers will be grabbing lunch with the boss, building those relationships, and getting all the promotions and raises.

I'd rather have the option of having lunch at home, with my family, than at work with my boss, even if it costs a promotion.

+1

Re: Facebook extends its work-at-home policy to most employees

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Post by nmaleki » Thu, Jun 10, 2021, 10:34 PM UTC

dreyfan wrote: post #75

I currently have 10 fully remote engineering jobs. The bar is so low, oversight is non-existent, and everyone is so forgiving for under performance I can coast about 4-8 weeks before a given job fires me. Currently on a $1.5M run-rate for comp this year. And the interviewing process is so much faster today, companies are desperate, it takes me 2-3hrs of total effort to land a new job with thousands to chose from.

Can you explain your workflow for landing new jobs? Where do you look first? Do you mass apply or seek out specific jobs?

Re: Facebook extends its work-at-home policy to most employees

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Post by screye » Thu, Jun 10, 2021, 10:36 PM UTC

baby wrote: post #451

screye wrote: post #278

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm in a similar situation, so I guess I can answer. I start in a new role soon and particularly requested a team with no more than 1 day wfh/week. I work in a applied ML and really, the technical aspects of the jobs are the 'easiest', ie. most well defined. In most cases focus + time will be sufficient for me to produce technical work. However, the real challenges lie at the intersections of models, infra, code, pro…

> I start in a new role soon > My coworkers are my good friends I think you need to make friends outside work. Live a little.

Way to be presumptuous

> and I have a huge community outside work, but it I don't like waiting for the other 50% to enjoy it

I literally addressed this. I stay in a group home and have a large community outside work. I don't want to wait for 6pm everyday to access people I like.

If anything, try making friends with people you spend time with for 50% of your waking hours. Live a little

Re: Facebook extends its work-at-home policy to most employees

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Post by timdorr » Thu, Jun 10, 2021, 10:39 PM UTC

jpeter wrote: post #445

dreyfan wrote: post #75

I currently have 10 fully remote engineering jobs. The bar is so low, oversight is non-existent, and everyone is so forgiving for under performance I can coast about 4-8 weeks before a given job fires me. Currently on a $1.5M run-rate for comp this year. And the interviewing process is so much faster today, companies are desperate, it takes me 2-3hrs of total effort to land a new job with thousands to chose from.

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