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Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by btbuildem »

gilbetron wrote: post #262
kibwen wrote: post #150

Ironically, the frunk on electric trucks is a game-changer. Complementing the bed with an enclosed, waterproof, secure place to carry things (and no mucking around with insecure bed covers) is a killer feature. No more springing for a crew cab just to carry groceries in the rear seats. In terms of practical carrying capacity this dominates an SUV.

That's what I was most excited about, and agree it is a game changer. Hopefully we can get small e-pickups at some point - I have a 2004 Toyota Tacoma that I love, and it would be amazing with a frunk, but you can't really get small pickups that size anymore.

Yeah like the original Subaru Baja, or even better, the iconic El-Camino.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by patall »

thomascgalvin wrote: post #342
rootusrootus wrote: post #271

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> No comprehensive supercharger network. This is a real big deal still. I agree that this is important, but it is 99% psychological. In the entire time I owned my Tesla, I used the supercharger a half dozen times. Most people with an EV that has 200+ miles of range will rarely use DC fast chargers.

I very, very rarely drive my car further than a hundred miles in a day; for my day-to-day work, a 200 mile range would be more than comfortable, and I'd be able to recharge to full overnight. But every once in a while we drive about 200 miles to visit the in-laws, and I would be super nervous about attempting that in an EV. At best we'd be close to empty by the time we arrived, I don't know the state of the charger s…

> I don't know the state of the charger system on the highways we use

I totally understand your situation, but sorry, that had me laughing: Yeah sure, there is nothing to be done about that :)

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by jayd16 »

Cshelton wrote: post #414
itsoktocry wrote: post #394

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> transparent info and pricing Sure, "transparent" pricing that can change on a whim, even after you've purchased the product. "Take-it-or-leave-it" delivery if you find flaws with your car. > Step three is me checking on the cyber truck status. Let me know when you take delivery of a Cybertruck for <40k, similar pricing to the Model 3, like the "transparent info" claims.

Tesla does not really have "Model Years". The vehicle is constantly changing week to week, and priced so. You just need to buy when you want and be happy with the product. Just like an Iphone! Also, other car manufactures actually change their prices all the time based on cost of materials, shipping, etc. The Dealer will change the price based on inventory space, cost to hold, etc. You just don't see it as much becau…

>Traditionally, it has always been the best to buy a vehicle at the end of the year

This is still fairly true with the Tesla. They change more often but they still do larger changes that seem to sync up with the calendar year. At least the Model 3 interior refresh did.

Although the best time to buy a Tesla is when Elon needs to hit an earnings goal.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by Whatarethese »

itsoktocry wrote: post #394
ortusdux wrote: post #287

Tesla's checkout process has spoiled me. It's landing page -> select a model -> select options and appearance -> enter payment info for a 100$ deposit. No signups, no friction, just car creation and transparent info and pricing. Step one on Ford's site is to select a dealer. Already I'm thinking about how much I hate my local dealer and the whole dealership system in general. Step two is a login screen with create an…

> transparent info and pricing Sure, "transparent" pricing that can change on a whim, even after you've purchased the product. "Take-it-or-leave-it" delivery if you find flaws with your car. > Step three is me checking on the cyber truck status. Let me know when you take delivery of a Cybertruck for <40k, similar pricing to the Model 3, like the "transparent info" claims.

When I purchased my Model 3 I ordered it online and Tesla said my price would be $42,500 in March 2019. Signed my loans docs through docusign. I picked it up 12 days later in Tempe. Delivery took 15 minutes. My car had 3 flaws. Paint chip on trunk, hood panel gap, and scratch on aero hubcap. Made appointment and brought it back a week later. Got a loaner Model S for two days and then got my car back in perfect condition.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by zip1234 »

ben7799 wrote: post #245
bobince wrote: post #105

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It needn't have been this tall. With the internal combustion engine out, Ford could have designed a lower, more curved, less deadly front end. Instead, they kept the high nose and used the space as a trunk. After all, injuring fewer pedestrians sells no cars. Indeed, the market prefers an enormous, deliberately threatening-looking chariot that makes you feel big and virile. Ford are behind this game in that they have…

Blame for killing falls on the driver of the vehicle, not on the company designing it or the shape of the front of the vehicle. Don't hit anyone with your vehicle and you won't kill anyone. I've been hit by a truck bicycling, thankfully not too hard. But I don't really think it would have been better to have been hit by a low slung sleek car. It would have put all the force through my legs.

Blame for killing almost never falls on drivers. Look at news headlines--"Car runs over person" and not "Driver runs over person" and you can see how this is viewed. There is a term to describe this--"windshield bias." Auto safety takes multiple approaches and not just saying the drivers are responsible because they are currently not, at least in the US. Does the person that hit you with a truck still have their driving license?

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by aidenn0 »

jrsj wrote: post #317
pkulak wrote: post #286

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> It’s like the aesthetics of a pickup truck is offensive to some people. When a vehicle is driving in front of my house with a grill that's a foot higher than my oldest child... yeah, I don't much like those aesthetics. And it has nothing to do with "moving stuff". The UPS delivery vans that are actually built to, ya know, move stuff, have lower grills and way safer sight lines.

As someone who used to work at a nursery that sold a lot of mulch, sod, etc, there are a lot of things that a typical single family homeowner would want that you absolutely wouldn’t want to transport in an SUV or minivan (which is all that is really worth talking about because pretty much no individual owns the type of delivery vehicle you’re talking about, which are meant for transporting packages anyways). People w…

My mom was an avid gardener and regularly moved mulch and manure in her station wagon. We cleaned it out afterwards and it smelled musty for about a week afterwards. It was usually in the spring though, so we just drove with the windows down if it wasn't raining.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by onlyrealcuzzo »

moralestapia wrote: post #376
onlyrealcuzzo wrote: post #315

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I'm interested to see if this leads to people living in places without power and using their truck as the sole source of electricity. If you have a small cabin with no a/c, wood heat, and a propane stove - your house is going to use hardly any power compared to your truck. It would barely make a difference.

But how would you charge the truck?

At a charging station? A lot of people do a lot of their charging not at home already - at least in cities. Presumably this could / will be true in rural areas, too.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by notJim »

ortusdux wrote: post #287

Tesla's checkout process has spoiled me. It's landing page -> select a model -> select options and appearance -> enter payment info for a 100$ deposit. No signups, no friction, just car creation and transparent info and pricing. Step one on Ford's site is to select a dealer. Already I'm thinking about how much I hate my local dealer and the whole dealership system in general. Step two is a login screen with create an…

Sure the checkout process is great, but as someone who ordered a car in March and is still waiting, it kinda goes downhill from there.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by Miner49er »

bryanlarsen wrote: post #446
Miner49er wrote: post #409

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I grew up in a place where I can't even think of a family that didn't have at least one truck. I'm honestly confused by the dislike of them. I really don't understand how you can own a house with a decent sized yard and not own a truck or at least a trailer. How do you get any yard or house work done without one?

Much of the hate is for modern trucks. Trucks from 40 years ago were much more practical than the modern truck -- 8 foot beds, sides you could reach over, et cetera. The massive height of current trucks just makes them more dangerous, less fuel efficient, less practical.

Yeah, people around there also seemed to prefer taller vehicles. Easier to see, generally had 4 wheel drive (better for rough roads and winter conditions), safer (for the people in the car anyway, especially for things like hitting a deer).

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by philshem »

zip1234 wrote: post #428
kibwen wrote: post #150

Ironically, the frunk on electric trucks is a game-changer. Complementing the bed with an enclosed, waterproof, secure place to carry things (and no mucking around with insecure bed covers) is a killer feature. No more springing for a crew cab just to carry groceries in the rear seats. In terms of practical carrying capacity this dominates an SUV.

Trucks are more dangerous to pedestrians because of the higher and flatter front--means people end up underneath rather than above if they are struck. I understand why they kept the look the same and why they used that space but in the future would prefer that they made changes to make it safer for everyone and not just the occupants. The high hoods make for poor visibility around the front.

Thank you. As a cyclist and pedestrian (who does own a normally-sized car), I was getting pretty frustrated by the lack of safety discussed in the comments.

https://twitter.com/lloydalter/status/1395326192908218371?s=...

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