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US agencies call for pause in Johnson & Johnson vaccine

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Re: US agencies call for pause in Johnson & Johnson vaccine

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Post by cowmoo728 »

jaegerpicker wrote: post #406

7 people out of 7 million dose's. That's why they stopped. My wife and I got the J&J shot on Saturday so I'm directly at risk and I'd take it everytime even if the risk was 10 times what it currently is. I've already seen a bunch of anit-vaxers referring to this in new articles this morning. So let's see, 1 in a million chance that the vaccine will make you sick (only 1 person has died so far, which is terrible but i…

On the medical benefits alone it seems obvious to continue giving J&J. The counter-argument I understand is that J&J's supply is severely limited due to manufacturing problems right now, so pausing it doesn't significantly slow down the vaccine rollout. There are a lot of people right now that saw headlines about J&J's manufacturing defects, and now this one death, and are convinced those are related. Visibly pausing something that is such a small percentage of the vaccine rollout might be a good political move.

Full disclosure: I took the J&J vaccine last Thursday, and would do so again right now.

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Post by weeblewobble »

jaegerpicker wrote: post #406

7 people out of 7 million dose's. That's why they stopped. My wife and I got the J&J shot on Saturday so I'm directly at risk and I'd take it everytime even if the risk was 10 times what it currently is. I've already seen a bunch of anit-vaxers referring to this in new articles this morning. So let's see, 1 in a million chance that the vaccine will make you sick (only 1 person has died so far, which is terrible but i…

It could be that the side effect has delayed onset, so there could be many people out there who are about to have the side effect but haven't showed up in stats yet. In that case I think it makes sense to pause for a while and wait for updated numbers

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Post by josephcsible »

FabHK wrote: post #416
jaegerpicker wrote: post #406

7 people out of 7 million dose's. That's why they stopped. My wife and I got the J&J shot on Saturday so I'm directly at risk and I'd take it everytime even if the risk was 10 times what it currently is. I've already seen a bunch of anit-vaxers referring to this in new articles this morning. So let's see, 1 in a million chance that the vaccine will make you sick (only 1 person has died so far, which is terrible but i…

If I have my numbers approximately right, getting the J&J vaccine is a bit safer than taking a plane trip, while getting COVID is about as safe as taking a trip in the space shuttle.

Your chance of dying from COVID is heavily dependent on your age and any preexisting conditions, so any comparison that uses a single probability for everyone is totally wrong for a very large number of people.

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Post by rhino369 »

jaegerpicker wrote: post #406

7 people out of 7 million dose's. That's why they stopped. My wife and I got the J&J shot on Saturday so I'm directly at risk and I'd take it everytime even if the risk was 10 times what it currently is. I've already seen a bunch of anit-vaxers referring to this in new articles this morning. So let's see, 1 in a million chance that the vaccine will make you sick (only 1 person has died so far, which is terrible but i…

Nobody has investigated 7 million doses, so its at least 7, but probably more. The UK incidence rate (for the same issue in the AZ vax) was like 10X what was initially reported.

And its probable that these incidents are concentrated in a small segment of the population (young & health maybe women). So your denominator is very inflated.

If you can save 20-40 lives by just giving young women Pfizer and using J&J on 50+ year olds (for whom the risk might be literally nothing) then its a no brainer.

Not doing so is killing 20-40 people for no reason.

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Post by outworlder »

jaegerpicker wrote: post #406

7 people out of 7 million dose's. That's why they stopped. My wife and I got the J&J shot on Saturday so I'm directly at risk and I'd take it everytime even if the risk was 10 times what it currently is. I've already seen a bunch of anit-vaxers referring to this in new articles this morning. So let's see, 1 in a million chance that the vaccine will make you sick (only 1 person has died so far, which is terrible but i…

> That's why they stopped.

More to the point, they have temporarily paused because the usual treatment for blood clots can make this particular type of blood clot worse. So they are pausing to give the medical community enough lead time to get up to date on treatment protocols.

Vaccines are held to such a high standard. We wouldn't have approved even Aspirin if we applied the same standards.

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Post by spookthesunset »

Miner49er wrote: post #319
joelfolksy wrote: post #304

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Suicides decreased in 2020, btw: https://www.axios.com/suicide-decreased-in-2020-pandemmic-me... .

Deaths of despair increased though: https://www.marketwatch.com/story/deaths-of-despair-during-c...

As did unintentional injury, which was due to overdoses.

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Post by andy_ppp »

jonplackett wrote: post #424
jaegerpicker wrote: post #406

7 people out of 7 million dose's. That's why they stopped. My wife and I got the J&J shot on Saturday so I'm directly at risk and I'd take it everytime even if the risk was 10 times what it currently is. I've already seen a bunch of anit-vaxers referring to this in new articles this morning. So let's see, 1 in a million chance that the vaccine will make you sick (only 1 person has died so far, which is terrible but i…

I just made this website to show you how really, really small the risks are for the AstraZeneca vaccine which also has this ‘issue’. It compares the risks of dying from a blood clot after the AZ vaccine (about 1 in a million) to the risks we happily take every single day. http://whatoneinamillionmeans.com If you're not willing to take 1 in a million chances, it's gonna be pretty hard for you to get out of bed today

Yes, and probably staying in bed will have its own risk of blood clots and depression leading to suicide.

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Post by throwaway8581 »

jaegerpicker wrote: post #406

7 people out of 7 million dose's. That's why they stopped. My wife and I got the J&J shot on Saturday so I'm directly at risk and I'd take it everytime even if the risk was 10 times what it currently is. I've already seen a bunch of anit-vaxers referring to this in new articles this morning. So let's see, 1 in a million chance that the vaccine will make you sick (only 1 person has died so far, which is terrible but i…

We usually test vaccines for a decade because of the risk of unknown short term and long term side effects. If we don't know why people are getting blood clots from the vaccine, then we don't understand the vaccine and could be creating long term issues for many people.

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Post by FunnyLookinHat »

doikor wrote: post #430
jaegerpicker wrote: post #406

7 people out of 7 million dose's. That's why they stopped. My wife and I got the J&J shot on Saturday so I'm directly at risk and I'd take it everytime even if the risk was 10 times what it currently is. I've already seen a bunch of anit-vaxers referring to this in new articles this morning. So let's see, 1 in a million chance that the vaccine will make you sick (only 1 person has died so far, which is terrible but i…

The problem isn't 7 out of 7 million odds. It is that it is an unknown side effect that did not come up in the original studies. We have approved vaccines with worse side effects before. The difference is that we knew what those side effects were and weighed the risk vs reward and made the call to use it.

Yeah and we only just started to roll this vaccine out - so it's fair to say that the risk will likely grow beyond that.

You're right that 7 / 7,000,000 are good odds, and most people would likely take them - but it would be unwise to not give people an educated choice between vaccines if there are known risks.

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Post by duckfang »

jaegerpicker wrote: post #406

7 people out of 7 million dose's. That's why they stopped. My wife and I got the J&J shot on Saturday so I'm directly at risk and I'd take it everytime even if the risk was 10 times what it currently is. I've already seen a bunch of anit-vaxers referring to this in new articles this morning. So let's see, 1 in a million chance that the vaccine will make you sick (only 1 person has died so far, which is terrible but i…

Birth control is already severe blood clots at 1:1000 . Only affects people with uteruses. That's cool.

This is 1:1000000 of a severe event, but affects men as well. HOLD THE LINE - It affects a.... Man!

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