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Electric vehicles close to ‘tipping point’ of mass adoption

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Re: Electric vehicles close to ‘tipping point’ of mass adoption

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My problem is renting apartments. If you ask the strata or the building managers about charging points in the carpark, they look at you like you're speaking Klingon. This is true of even very recently completed buildings in well-off areas of relatively wealthy western countries. Heck, I just walked past three Teslas in my building's car park, one of which is new and wasn't there last week! Do people... not plan ahead…

They'll have no choice but to offer these services, otherwise they shall rent for lesser amounts to people without electric vehicles.

Re: Electric vehicles close to ‘tipping point’ of mass adoption

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My problem is renting apartments. If you ask the strata or the building managers about charging points in the carpark, they look at you like you're speaking Klingon. This is true of even very recently completed buildings in well-off areas of relatively wealthy western countries. Heck, I just walked past three Teslas in my building's car park, one of which is new and wasn't there last week! Do people... not plan ahead…

> Do people... not plan ahead? Do architects not read the news?

They do read the news, but there's still plenty of news that EV is still largely powered by coal and also something about lithium mining (while never ever talking about other minig issues, particularly oil), therefore we should use hydrogen (which will need more electricity, but we skip over that) or synthetic fuels (which will need crazy amounts of electricity, but we won't mention that) and that'll be the future.

Of course you can read the other news, the ones that correctly point out that between EV, hydrogen and synfuels EV has the vast advantage of being much more efficient, and that will never change, because physics. But you can pick and choose your news, and if you would prefer the news that tell you nothing changes you may just decide to trust those.

Re: Electric vehicles close to ‘tipping point’ of mass adoption

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My problem is renting apartments. If you ask the strata or the building managers about charging points in the carpark, they look at you like you're speaking Klingon. This is true of even very recently completed buildings in well-off areas of relatively wealthy western countries. Heck, I just walked past three Teslas in my building's car park, one of which is new and wasn't there last week! Do people... not plan ahead…

There are many companies in that space: chargepoint, blink, evgo... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_vehicle_network My (US-based) experience: - chargepoint is a good service - people own the chargers, but they can be public or private. - blink is a terrible service - people own the chargers but in my experience the fast public ones are always broken. - evgo is a good service - they own the chargers but will in…

Tesla has also recently added wi-fi to their existing chargers, and will facilitate payment processing:

> With a growing number of Tesla cars on the road, a Wall Connector can pay for itself over time. Property managers will soon be able to set the price of charging sessions while Tesla handles payments automatically and securely – with no monthly fees. [1]

This is a model similar to what chargepoint offers, though I suspect it will have lower fees as their main goal is to sell more cars.

* [1] https://www.tesla.com/commercial-charging

* https://cleantechnica.com/2020/12/02/tesla-launching-commerc...

Re: Electric vehicles close to ‘tipping point’ of mass adoption

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You just plug in, no card. The car identifies itself. It needs an internet connection to report the usage so it can be charged to the correct account. Gas stations obviously need a network connection of some kind too for card swipes to work. Otherwise you'd have to fall back to cash or manually writing down card numbers (is that even allowed anymore?) Almost all Superchargers are unmanned so no cash.

They could store the transactions in local memory until the connection is restored.

How do you know the account is valid, able to be charged, etc?

Re: Electric vehicles close to ‘tipping point’ of mass adoption

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You don't think gas stations have an internet connection?

I don’t think they require one to function. Gas stations, including ones where you pay at the pump, functioned fine without Internet before the Internet.

How exactly does a pay-at-the-pump gas station function without internet?

Re: Electric vehicles close to ‘tipping point’ of mass adoption

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EVs currently have high enough utility in the wealthy suburbia where you own your garage and have the capability to charge overnight. If you are a euro-peasant living in a third floor apartment, street parking and commuting to work, then an EV has very little utility to offer. You cannot expect that people will go on a regular basis to charge stations and spend an hour to charge their car. You cannot also have a reas…

I’m literally a euro-peasant in my third floor apartment with street parking outside my third floor apartment window. The city has but up a bunch of charging parking stations on said street parking and it’s great. There are no gas stations on the ”island” (Södermalm, Stockholm) I live on, but a ton of electric street parking charging stations. I think the decentralisation of these types of charging stations will win in the end.

The price of electric cars currently is a problem though, but everything is pointing in the right direction.

Re: Electric vehicles close to ‘tipping point’ of mass adoption

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One side of this that doesn't seem to get looked at much is how many ICE cars are on the roads that could be converted. Doing conversions at high volume would be very labor intensive, but it would give dealerships and mechanics something to do, and it would generate less waste than replacing whole cars.

Right now it's kind of on the edge of being practical, mostly because of the batteries. They're expensive and bulky and they need to be fitted to cars that weren't designed for them. 200+ mile ranges aren't really realistic either, because you'd be adding too much mass that the car wasn't designed for. Conversion kits now seem to be a custom thing made in low volume for a handful of vehicles and usually cost somewhere in the neighborhood of $20,000 or so.

On the other hand, if a major manufacturer can buy batteries and motors and controllers at wholesale cost and engineer a conversion kit for their own cars, amortizing the engineering cost across thousands or hundreds of thousands of cars, then maybe you can get the cost down to something reasonable and have something where all the parts just bolt in perfectly and all the car systems work the way they're supposed to. Maybe it can be a simple as walking into a dealership and saying "I want my car to be converted to electric" and they say, "sure, just drop it off for a week and here's what it costs, etc..."

The other day I decided to change the oil in my Honda Element myself and crawled under the car. The gas tank is basically a big metal box stuck to the bottom, with a bar in front to keep it from getting scraped off by a rock. It looks a little ridiculous, like Honda designed a car and at the last moment realized "oh, we forgot about the gas tank; let's just stick it to the bottom." If gas cars are made this way, then maybe finding a spot for the batteries in a car that wasn't originally designed for them maybe isn't any worse.

Re: Electric vehicles close to ‘tipping point’ of mass adoption

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You don't think gas stations have an internet connection?

I don’t think they require one to function. Gas stations, including ones where you pay at the pump, functioned fine without Internet before the Internet.

Okay, then replace “internet” with “dial-up private network”.

Re: Electric vehicles close to ‘tipping point’ of mass adoption

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What's the problem with card payments in germany for non-germans?

Credit cards are not widely accepted in Germany. Germans generally use cash or EC/Maesto debit cards, and you can't get an EC card if you're not an EU resident with an EU bank account (which can be hard for Americans, and, to a lesser extent, any foreigner, I'm sure). I used to have a Maestro-branded debit card (in the US) when I was younger. I have no idea if it's the same system and/or if they're compatible. I chec…

MasterCard owns Maestro, so would MasterCards work there?

Re: Electric vehicles close to ‘tipping point’ of mass adoption

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The problem is actually lithium batteries. Mining that material destroys the earth.

Mining anything causes great big holes in the ground and piles of tailings. It does not destroy the Earth. It rearranges the furniture. Drastically

If you lived in the places where lithium is mined you’d be devastated
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