70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers • Hacker News Board

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by whimsicalism » Mon, Jan 11, 2021, 4:38 PM UTC

crispywalrus wrote: post #447

whimsicalism wrote: post #435

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By that standard, Instagram is a propaganda weapon. It both: a. pays popular users b. Puts warnings on political issues, like statements that Biden's crime bill contributed to mass incarceration [0] [0] https://twitter.com/ben_awareness/status/1339293381625864195

Instagram doesn't claim to be a "free speech" platform. You have to only be mildly interested in it to see that it's all about "engagement" Parler explicitly claimed "free speech" as a goal

So because the owners claim the platform to be something other than it actually is, it is okay for this person to leak the Parler users' private images and videos?

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by sillysaurusx » Mon, Jan 11, 2021, 4:39 PM UTC

This person committed a crime to leak this data. I don't know how any of you can be this blatantly two-faced or so unprincipled.

You're cheering on a criminal committing a crime. You're cheering on the suppression of an entire political party, while calling them extremists, fascists, terrorists, and every other -ist that you feel vaguely fits the bill.

Yes, a few of them marched on the capitol. Yes, that was awful. No, you're not going to stop the underlying feeling by simply wishing it away, or taking more and more byzantine measures to suppress their ability to associate with one another.

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by Pfhreak » Mon, Jan 11, 2021, 4:39 PM UTC

Consultant32452 wrote: post #320

Pfhreak wrote: post #198

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These folks had their private messages exposed. In no way is that "close to lynching". Depending on what the user posted, they might be embarrassed, lose their jobs, or end up in court. We can have a reasonable discussion about the ethics of hacking a site like parler, but not if the starting point is "this is the equivalent of violent mobs literally murdering innocent people".

Many had images of their driver's licenses revealed also. Calling this close to lynching is definitely hyperbole, but it's also true that their identity and addresses were revealed and their lives are in eminent danger.

You have a reasonable take. (I'm still not sure my own position on this stuff.) I'm not pushing back on the idea that we can discuss the ethics here, only the extremely hyperbolic take of the OP.

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by tw04 » Mon, Jan 11, 2021, 4:39 PM UTC

sanedigital wrote: post #369

tw04 wrote: post #349

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I hear this a lot, but it makes no logical sense to me. I see a site that is (in)famous for being full of self-proclaimed right-wing "patriots" who are calling for violence against people due to political beliefs. Someone then decide to associate with these people by joining the site. They may not personally post messages calling for violence, but are now associated with them. And the response is: well sure I'm in th…

Have to been on Reddit, specifically /r/politics? There are calls to violence all the time . Nobody bats an eye because it's calls to violence against the "bad guys."

I assume you've got some citations for that, right? I have been to r/politics and people get banned pretty quickly for calling for violence. I just went through the top 20 threads, and there isn't a single call for violence to be found.

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by whimsicalism » Mon, Jan 11, 2021, 4:39 PM UTC

bzb6 wrote: post #449

whimsicalism wrote: post #443

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So that makes it permissible for private actors to publish 70TBs of private Parler users' messages?

I did not say anything like that

I guess I'm confused as to the relevance to this thread. This person claimed that two attributes made Parler a "propaganda weapon", I noted that other major platforms have those same properties, so you tacked on another condition.

Presumably this was all in an effort to say something along the lines of - "because of the unique situation Parler is in, these actions were permissible." No?

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by amanaplanacanal » Mon, Jan 11, 2021, 4:39 PM UTC

whimsicalism wrote: post #443

bzb6 wrote: post #438

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That’s true but Instagram doesn’t claim to be a free speech platform

So that makes it permissible for private actors to publish 70TBs of private Parler users' messages?

I didn’t see anyone claim that.

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by cbozeman » Mon, Jan 11, 2021, 4:40 PM UTC

nkrisc wrote: post #325

sanedigital wrote: post #221

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Talk about hyperbole. In no way did even 1% of the population on Parler want mass executions for people like you.

I don't know what people think, we can't read their minds. All I know is if you wanted to find people who want mass executions in the US, Parler would be a safe place to find them, based on what we do know about them.

What are "people like you"?

Facebook and Twitter have millions of people who want mass executions for all kinds of groups, a quick trip into Muslim areas of both services and you'll find moderate and right-wing versions that want execution for LGBTQ+ people. You can find the same desire for marginalization and extermination of other groups. Not every language and dialect has a huge team of moderators that review content and take the appropriate punitive action against malicious users.

I have a Parler account. I have a GAB account. I make accounts on all new social media platforms and communications services. Everyone should. Because you have no idea what platform might be the next Facebook, or which one is going to be the next MySpace.

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by mrzimmerman » Mon, Jan 11, 2021, 4:40 PM UTC

brigandish wrote: post #344

ipsocannibal wrote: post #269

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Data, evidence? The threat is in giving the fascist terrorist 1% a microphone not that the other 99% happen to be listening. Parler was lax in policing that 1%.

> The threat is in giving the fascist terrorist 1% a microphone The problem with fascist terrorists is not their rhetoric, it's their violence. Allow them to speak their mind and you lower their need for violent action and everyone else gets to show that their ideas are horribly flawed. It's amusing to think that people seriously believe there are huge swathes of people just ripe to become neo-nazis because someone g…

You're purposefully being reductionist about this. People having their brains hit with racist or violent rhetoric over a long period of time will be changed by that. They human brain adapts to it's environment, expecting certain inputs and if it's receiving /pol light on Twitter then it starts to expect it.

On top of that, it's only a matter of time before they're linked to one of the many .win site that sprang up after Twitter purged the_donald and the Qanon people.

And again, people have been moved to violence and facism in human history, that's not difficult to find.

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by rob74 » Mon, Jan 11, 2021, 4:40 PM UTC

brigandish wrote: post #307

rob74 wrote: post #202

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To be fair, it's probably hard for a network like Parler to attract top talent. I mean, they explicitly advertised themselves as the "free speech social network" (i.e. "all hate speech welcome, we won't censor anyone except maybe Trump parody accounts") - would you want to work for such a company, or have it on your resume in the future?

> would you want to work for such a company, or have it on your resume in the future? Does top talent only work for giant ad networks that thrive through undermining privacy (and hence, free speech) while manipulating public discourse to the point where these companies hardly have any defenders left? I suppose so, money will easily trump other considerations, especially among the naive, ignorant or just plain venal.…

Free speech is one thing, building an echo chamber for lunatics is something completely different, at least in my book. In principle, we probably also agree that all people should be equal, but if you follow that principle to the end, you get Communism. That's why there is a need for supreme courts to interpret each country's constitution, which are basically just a list of simple principles that are acceptable to everyone, but the devil's always in the details...

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by jabberwcky » Mon, Jan 11, 2021, 4:40 PM UTC

whimsicalism wrote: post #451

crispywalrus wrote: post #447

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Instagram doesn't claim to be a "free speech" platform. You have to only be mildly interested in it to see that it's all about "engagement" Parler explicitly claimed "free speech" as a goal

So because the owners claim the platform to be something other than it actually is, it is okay for this person to leak the Parler users' private images and videos?

Unfortunately you won't find much interesting commentary in a politically charged thread like this, best to just scan and pattern match the kind of exchanges occurring before moving swiftly along.