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Apple has threatened to remove Amphetamine from the App Store

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Re: Apple has threatened to remove Amphetamine from the App Store

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Post by joseph_grobbles »

solidsnack9000 wrote: post #435
joseph_grobbles wrote: post #414

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Let me be more explicit for you, then: I speed past a cop who is pointing his radar gun at me, staring at me , but for some reason he doesn't decide to pursue me (an experience many of us have actually had). Maybe it's an off day for him and he just doesn't care. Maybe he was confused about the speed limit on that stretch. Maybe he is waiting for a bigger fish. Maybe he likes my car (or skin) color and decided to loo…

If (a) there is no definite speed limit, just an imprecise policy statement (like "don't drive too fast") and (b) a person drives by the same cops for years at the same speed and gets clocked and doesn't get ticketed, and then (c) is one day pulled over and told that they're driving imprudently, then they indeed have a basis for complaint. That is exactly how this works. The interplay between vague policies and regul…

An app named "amphetamine" (a controlled substance in most countries), using a pill as its icon, with narrative like the "most awesome keep-awake".

Yeah, there isn't a lot of ambiguity here. This was absolutely getting away with it.

A lot of noise and bluster in here, but I'd peg the probability that Apple stays firm at 100%.

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Post by AshWolfy »

Bodell wrote: post #188
bserge wrote: post #155

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[Sorry, I'm a bit hyped up at the moment] This is all ridiculous and I don't like where we're headed as a society.

I’m very glad you brought up weed actually. See I have no problem with weed and like to smoke a joint every now and then. However what I don’t want is to have to buy weed called dumb things like “bro down”, “the obliterator”, and “brain destroyer”. I’d much rather you just named something not so click baity. Sure it’s just a chemical. Everything is just chemicals but I don’t need “meth” for my computer. Same reason o…

Amphetamine sounds clinical to me, I used to take prescribed, 24 million people in the US, including me in the past, are prescribed amphetamines.

I generally dont like obnoxious marketing either, but unless it is inappropriate for the setting i dont think it should be banned, and this is far more tame than other apps on the app store

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Post by unethical_ban »

reaperducer wrote: post #96
silentsea90 wrote: post #37

The name was approved by Apple years ago. The developer built the brand on that name. What changed? Apple's policies (on their whims). If Apple has to come down hard, they should bear the cost of the re-branding at least to measurably communicating widely regarding the rename. It is sad that Apple exercises so much power callously.

What changed? Apple's policies Companies change policies all the time. I get dozens of terms of service revision alerts in my e-mail each year. Same goes for government policies, and even personal policies. You wouldn't make decisions today based solely on things you thought ten years ago. Life changes. Policies change. Things change.

Doesn't make it right. I shouldn't be shocked to find some contrarian/nihilist defending EULAs and corporate bullshit on HN, but here we are.

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Post by warent »

pfortuny wrote: post #399
0xEFF wrote: post #359

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Do you expect to see a box on a shelf of any retail store labeled, “Amphetamine” with a colorful picture of drugs? It’s entirely reasonable for the retail store to tell the vendor to rename the product or else it will be removed from the shelf.

Grand Theft Auto comes to mind... Plague Inc... Drink extreme... Trivia Crack Adventura... Drug Mafia... All of those are ios GAMES.

This is really great point I hadn't considered. They're applying their rules selectively and inconsistently.

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Post by newbie789 »

I don't mean to sound pedantic (though I certainly will), but Focalin, Ritalin, etc are formulations of methylphenidate which is absolutely not an amphetamine. It's a DARI, not a VMAT2 inhibitor. They work in very different ways and are not chemically related.

I only bring this up because if you're trying to educate folks on compounds in this sphere, being accurate is a nice thing to do.

I wish this project all the best. It's absolutely silly that the name of a commonly prescribed compound should be so maligned. What if I named an app "Metformin"? Would that be at risk of uh, encouraging type 2 diabetes?

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Post by alpaca128 »

0xEFF wrote: post #359
webmobdev wrote: post #266

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> My advice is to immediately rebrand as gracefully and effectively as possible and use all that activist energy to effect the transition. Apple will definitely appreciate it if all of us would just shut up and let them screw us. While I appreciate your well-meaning advise to the author - pick your battles in life carefully - I'd like to add that using your anger constructively at some injustice is a positive move to…

Do you expect to see a box on a shelf of any retail store labeled, “Amphetamine” with a colorful picture of drugs? It’s entirely reasonable for the retail store to tell the vendor to rename the product or else it will be removed from the shelf.

You also won't find many products being labeled with things like "magic", except maybe for some of Apple's input devices, and drugs called magic mushrooms.

Censoring language is a bad idea even for the richest corporation, partially because there's practically no way to do it without looking like a hypocrite or also doing massive collateral damage. Like in this case, where Apple argues calling an app "Amphetamine" is bad but calling one "Drug Mafia" or "Drink extreme" is supposedly okay.

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Post by ur-whale »

Grustaf wrote: post #439

Apple tend to be hysterically puritanical about these things (and lately, hysterically PC) but it’s their store so why not just follow their rules?

It's not Apple that's hysterically puritanical, it's the market they operate in.

They don't give two f__ks about being politically correct, they're a corporation, their main concern is profit, and if you're not being hysterically PC in 2021, you're gonna loose money because of the radical minority that's ruining it for everyone.

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Post by dinkleberg »

Daho0n wrote: post #379
joseph_grobbles wrote: post #361

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I drove by a cop over the speed limit yesterday. He didn't pull me over. Therefore I can always drive over the speed limit and it is "approved". This is childish, nonsensical argumentation. The app has always been in contravention of the rules of the app store.

Apple wrote a story about the App. They approved it and approved of it.

Apple isn’t a singular entity, it is made up of lots of people. I’d find it unlikely the people approving apps are the same as those who pick the apps to showcase. And neither of those groups are likely involved with making up the rules.
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