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Facebook to move UK users to California terms, avoiding EU privacy rules

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Re: Facebook to move UK users to California terms, avoiding EU privacy rules

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Tech companies, or any company for that matter, will do what is best for themselves. Regulations exist to protect consumers and other companies from accusative behaviors. Remove the regulation and the 'we care for your privacy' message disappears with it. Because they never cared for your privacy, they will just doing what was mandatory.

The 'we care for your privacy' is not mandatory, it is just whitewashing. In fact, I see it by now as a warning sign that unnecessary processing takes place.

Re: Facebook to move UK users to California terms, avoiding EU privacy rules

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post #3

Tech companies, or any company for that matter, will do what is best for themselves. Regulations exist to protect consumers and other companies from accusative behaviors. Remove the regulation and the 'we care for your privacy' message disappears with it. Because they never cared for your privacy, they will just doing what was mandatory.

> Regulations exist to protect consumers and other companies from accusative behaviors. I think this is possibly a bit naive. Regulations also exist to protect powerful people's businesses, to push personal agendas, and to further political aims even if those are not actually in the interests of any consumers. Also sometimes people think they're making a regulation to protect consumers, but actually it makes things w…

Also, reguilations and rules can help to create trust, and this is what any business is based on. In this way, it helps business.

Re: Facebook to move UK users to California terms, avoiding EU privacy rules

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I’ve been wondering about whether it should be something implemented in the browser too. Instinctively I feel that better browser tools would be beneficial, but it’s an odd problem that we are trying to solve. I am not even sure we understand the root issue. Some companies want to use the web to try to change users behaviour, and many users want those companies to change their behaviour. That’s not a solvable problem…

> Some companies want to use the web to try to change users behaviour And just by looking at Google, they are doing that in an increasingly aggressive way.

Can you be more specific?

Re: Facebook to move UK users to California terms, avoiding EU privacy rules

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post #3

Tech companies, or any company for that matter, will do what is best for themselves. Regulations exist to protect consumers and other companies from accusative behaviors. Remove the regulation and the 'we care for your privacy' message disappears with it. Because they never cared for your privacy, they will just doing what was mandatory.

> Regulations exist to protect consumers and other companies from accusative behaviors. This is what people want to believe. But I think you'll find that regulations exist for a large number of reasons, some of which seem noble and others much less so. Frequently, they exist to provide disproportionate protections and perks to the connected.

Well, for whom regulation works out depends on how your government is. But also, a lack of regulation or oversight can have a lot of consequences. A good example is the Greenfell tower tragedy - fire protection authorities in the EU have warned for years about these claddings and materials, and in the EU there are not stricter regulations. And they save lives.

So, when regulations do not work for your advantage as a normal citizen, maybe the problem is not the existence of regulation but the lack of democratic representation and integrity in your government and the bodies it creates and controls.

Re: Facebook to move UK users to California terms, avoiding EU privacy rules

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This won't fly, for the simple reason that the ICO will have the same set of rules regarding data privacy that the EU has right now. They may change it, but that's the starting position. Facebook is not going to like the kind of fines that the ICO can throw at them.

The headline is somewhat misleading. The purpose of this move as the article explains is not to skirt the UK laws that have been "imported" from EU, but to avoid having to comply with both the UK-GDPR and EU-GDPR for UK citizens initially, and to make it easier to operate according to any bilateral treaties between the US and UK.

Which will by the way make treaties in that area between UK and EU more difficult, as they will require some equal level of regulation. And that could bite because services are an important part of the UK economy and a part of them are digital services.

Re: Facebook to move UK users to California terms, avoiding EU privacy rules

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How is this legal? Since EU members have to create laws for implement EU laws. So each country has a law for GDPR, including the UK. Those laws aren't going to suddenly stop being on the books in the new year.

That's an interesting point. As far as I remember, there is quite a lot of EU laws which did become UK laws. Aparts from the question of the benefits to do so, it would take many many years to disentangle that.

So, the UK governments solution is that all these laws will be re-written by the government in one big package and the UK parliament gives more or less an advance approval to that. I am probably not the only one who sees this as a significant weakening of parliamentary democracy in the UK.

Re: Facebook to move UK users to California terms, avoiding EU privacy rules

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Brexit. British users are no longer subject to EU protection come January 1st and we can now be thrown to the wolves, courtesy the wisdom of our Brexiteer chums.

British users are no longer subject to EU protection GDPR is fully incorporated into British law so can you clarify what you mean by this? Do you mean that the EU regulator has more teeth than its UK equivalent? Both seem to be equally useless in fact.

> GDPR is fully incorporated into British law

Well, you will see what happens to these laws.

The whole Brexit enterprise is mainly an attempt to do maximum de-regulation. The discussions about food safety standards and health care service and its financiation are pretty good indicators what will follow in other areas.

Re: Facebook to move UK users to California terms, avoiding EU privacy rules

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I wonder where companies would draw the line of "This is too much, let's leave the EU market". A naïve answer would be: as long as there's a positive ROI. But I guess all the headaches must be taken into account.

Where is the problem, Facebook leaving is a clear net plus for the EU. And the same goes for Amazon with its disregard for workers rights, health and safety standards, and failure to pay taxes.

Re: Facebook to move UK users to California terms, avoiding EU privacy rules

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This is the balkanization of the internet. We've lived through a brief period of free exchange among peoples, but it's soon over. I predict only one viable future for all technology companies, big and small: Pick a single national jurisdiction, keep your employees and servers inside it.

The problem is people expect all things to be free (beer). Naturally there's a cost to all things: developers need to eat; they need a work/life balance. Unless there's financial backing for a concept or project it will have a hard time getting off the ground. And unless there's some corporate interest in what's being worked on it simply won't be written. The best hope is open-source outreach not as benevolence, but…

> The problem is people expect all things to be free (beer).

I do not see this is the case in general. People do not expect that.

Re: Facebook to move UK users to California terms, avoiding EU privacy rules

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Citizenship matters not. Only residency. Just because I'm a Britsh person living in the US doesn't mean I'm not subject to the death penalty or am exempt from having to buy health insurance, for example.

Okay, what does it mean “residency”? In the UK there’s no address registry where you declare your address. EU citizen works in the UK for 2 years then goes to Turkey for a vacation but likes the place so much, decides to stay for longer when still remote working for the same London company.Also connects through VPN because the Turks love banning websites. Where this person residence is? Are the UK, USA, EU or Turkish…

If you get a Turkish residence or work etc visa and make that your primary residence then that's your residence.

If you're there on your 90day tourist visa, it's not your residence.

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