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Tesla hacker reveals what driver-facing camera is looking for

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> This is a metric human drivers fail to hit every single day. Yes exactly, and when they fuck up they suffer the consequences. Which if you were reckless will most likely be years in prison. You shouldn't be able to get away by paying money which is what the comment I replied to asks for.

You're not "getting away" with anything. You're paying someone else to do a job, and that other person writes software to do the job. They're the ones responsible for the software at that stage.

You can't "pay away" your responsibility for human lives like that.

You can point towards the anomymous software engineer you supposedly paid off your responsibility to.

But you're still the one that literally killed a family.

You'll realise there are some things you can't transfer responsibility from, when you're sitting behind the brains dripping off your window.

But at least all the people who have literally zero idea what you just went through, will tell you it's really Tesla's fault who wrote the software and they're responsible really. And there's no amount of money you can pay, to make you believe them.

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> Would you destroy $10 billion of value/resources in the economy to save 1 person? You can spin any arguments by framing them in such ridiculous scenarios. My comment is obviously in the context of people able to pay money to get rid of their personal responsibilities.

I was just demonstrating the absurdity of your comment. Taking things to the limit to demonstrate the absurdity of absolutist statements like the one you made is a perfectly acceptable thing to do and is not "spin". You said "no amount of money" and I took that at face value. If that's not what you meant then that's fine, there's no disagreement between us. From reading the many other replies to your comment, everyon…

It's quite simple. If you drive into a family, killing them, you will realise, as the brains are dripping down your window, that the insurance premium you paid, actually only affects the opinion of people who have literally no idea what you just did.

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> The real feature should just be a button that shifts insurance liability to Tesla for the period of the autopilot engagement and charges you a floating premium for it based on traffic conditions per mile/km while the autopilot is on. No amount of money makes up for human lives. You can pay a premium of $1mil per mile, if the car end up smashing into a family car at 80mph because the system was fooled by a shadow or…

> No amount of money makes up for human lives Trivially untrue since you can save one life for under $1000 but almost everyone with $1000 will keep it rather than save the life - revealing that $1000 is worth more than an arbitrary human life.

That is not an example of $1000 "making up" for human life, though.

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Caddilac has had this for years for their driver assistance system. It cuts out if you look away from the road. > https://www.autoevolution.com/news/how-cadillac-super-cruise... > It also keeps track of whether the driver is paying attention to the road. Unique to Super Cruise is that it does this not by requiring the driver to keep his hands or touch the steering wheel, but by tracking the driver’s eyes and head pos…

That others are doing it too doesn't make it less creepy :) But you can't even buy Cadillac here in Europe.

Oh I agree. I hate the idea. When I eventually get such a vehicle a piece of tape is going over the camera.

Re: Tesla hacker reveals what driver-facing camera is looking for

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Before you go all conspiracy theory, try reading the actual article. It's an opt-in and the data is not recorded nor uploaded to Tesla without an opt-in control.

We're like 300 yards down the slippery slope and gaining speed fast. Today's "It's opt-in and isn't being recorded" is tomorrow's "If you don't agree to allow us to use this video in any manner we deem fit, or if you leave 4G+ coverage for an excessive period of time, your car may not start".

We haven't been gaining speed here at all. Check your tinfoil hat at the door.
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