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Re: Samsung TV owners complain about increasingly obtrusive ads

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Post by SteveGerencser »

kalleboo wrote: post #298
avian wrote: post #122

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In some stupid meeting somewhere: A: ...and in conclusion, it's a win-win situation. Users will benefit from ads and our revenue will go up. B: People don't like ads on their TV. A: But they do. I refer you to slides 18 through 25 where you can see engagement metrics for our ad rollout on the old model. If people wouldn't like ads they wouldn't be clicking on them so much . B: I don't like ads. Do you like ads on you…

Well it's more like "people hate ads, but next time they buy a new TV, the ads will make our TV $10 cheaper than the other guy and they'll buy it anyway" It's the same thing in the airline industry - people will complain all day long about legroom and being treated as cattle, but the next time they buy a ticket they vote with their wallets when they sort the flight list by price and choose the cheapest option.

But, do people actually know that when they purchase? If it were clearly stated anywhere on the box/sales copy that "you will see ads on this device" while the other one says "we won't shove ads on your device" I would wager the $10 more would be a bargain to nearly everyone.

But that information is never available at the point of purchase so most people get the surprise of see ads when they had no idea that was even a thing.

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Post by _jal »

hibikir wrote: post #398
chongli wrote: post #237

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Was this the essay you were referring to [1]? I think you’re bang on with this comparison. My dad and I have long complained how (for example) grocery stores seem to constantly cancel our favourite products. We know it’s not the manufacturer because the product is still on their website. My dad and I even have a term for the people in the head office who make the decision to phase out our favourite products: spreadsh…

Supermarkets also need to stay open so they can sell you your beloved products, and you'd not believe how thin the margins of some supermarkets are: Having 8 kinds of lemon yogurt, each someone's favorite, while disposing of the products past the expiration date leads to either some of the highest prices in town, or closing down. Profitability in very small supermarket chains is small. Now, the models that the somewh…

There is always a reason.

My corner grocery (run by a family that lives a couple blocks away) did the same thing - they dropped the soy milk brand I like. I asked about it, and they brought it back.

I think they do cost more on average than HugeCo (if you use the HugeCo surveillance/loyalty card), which also theoretically has a larger selection, etc.

But for some weird reason the store that sells me what I want gets my business.

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Post by 20after4 »

neya wrote: post #31

Fuck the guy who wanted to suck up to the management in some stupid meeting projecting estimated revenue out of this to ask for a raise later because he "contributed to a revenue increase" to the company. There's absolutely no after thought to this decision - If I paid 1000s of dollars for an "idiot box" that's supposed to reproduce faithfully the signal that I pass it, showing ads is unacceptable, no matter what the…

It appears that this has already become the norm.

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Post by mavhc »

defnotashton2 wrote: post #386
mavhc wrote: post #288

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What tv can't you just type a channel number in, or press an input button to switch inputs? If you don't plug it into the internet it's not going to be a smart tv

Can't get new tvs with normal remotes

Without numbers on?

Could replace the remote with a Old Person Remote perhaps.

Just looked for a random tv, it has a normal remote to me https://ao.com/product/vel50fo01uk-veltech-tv-black-66496-10... scroll right on the photos

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Post by hawski »

gst wrote: post #432
hawski wrote: post #409

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Another word for a projector.

The word "Beamer" is a German word that isn't really used (in that context) in any other language. Same as with "Handy" for smartphones.

Oh, must have been my time spent in Germany. As Wikipedia disambiguation page says:

> Beamer

> Video projector, a pseudo-Anglicism in a number of languages including German, Dutch, Latvian and Swiss French

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Post by auggierose »

Swenrekcah wrote: post #403
piva00 wrote: post #377

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Then my iPhone pops up a "Keyboard Input" notification with a text input that I can type from the phone without unlocking it. Of course, if you don't have your phone nearby it might suck but let's be realistic, how often you don't have your phone close by when watching TV? P.S.: Yes, I know, if you are an Android user there is no way out and Apple sucks for that, not defending them at all.

This is a company supposedly famous for great user interfaces and usability. Why not try to live up to it? There are actually many times I don't have my phone with me while watching TV. I carry it with me everywhere all day, but I try to keep it on the table most of the time when at home.

Apple TV has bluetooth, so if this is really an issue for you, why not get a dedicated TV keyboard?

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Post by slashmike »

notyourwork wrote: post #279
neya wrote: post #31

Fuck the guy who wanted to suck up to the management in some stupid meeting projecting estimated revenue out of this to ask for a raise later because he "contributed to a revenue increase" to the company. There's absolutely no after thought to this decision - If I paid 1000s of dollars for an "idiot box" that's supposed to reproduce faithfully the signal that I pass it, showing ads is unacceptable, no matter what the…

This is why my tv stays offline and isn’t setup. My Nvidia shield runs to hdmi and is the only playback source.

Does the Nvidia Shield not utilize ACR like the smart TVs? I hear they're great but they run Android so I'm skeptical.

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Post by nootropicat »

gmadsen wrote: post #437
tangjurine wrote: post #167

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We're in the middle of transitioning from making decisions based on pure intuition to being purely logical and data-driven... I wonder if that's such a good idea. There was this article a while back I read that talked about how native peoples made poisonous foods edible. Some processes were extremely convoluted and unreasonable, but it worked, and efforts by a "reasonable" man to make the process more efficient would…

in what world is removing poison to an acceptable level unreasonable? If the process is complicated and convoluted, but people don't die, then that seems reasonable to me. I don't really follow this line of thinking.

I think he meant that the process wasn't explained as 'removing poison' but as 'this is how we do things' or 'it's to appease the spirits'. If the poison was something that's slowly acting (years) 'rational' way that would remove 'superstitions' would poison everyone.

Of course, knowing the real reason is preferable, but not always possible, especially in a premodern setting. Before the discovery of prions nobody really knew why cannibalism is dangerous, yet it was a taboo in most of the civilized world.

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Post by adriancr »

fxtentacle wrote: post #353
belorn wrote: post #178

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As an older comment mention, they can easily add an delay that makes it work without an connection only for the duration in which an return is possible. It is very hard to win against hostile design.

This would be a known defect under EU warranty law, which means once it kicks in, you can get a full refund if you want to.

They can try and fix it 3 times then you get your money back.
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