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Post by jrockway »

peacelilly wrote: post #391

It's long past time to regulate social media like a phone company, natural monopoly, or common carrier. The DOJ needs to break them up for violating the public trust, then limit their ability to refuse service to law abiding citizens moving into the future. Government has every right to force companies to be neutral platforms through regulation. It's time to revoke/enforce section 230, especially the "good faith" cla…

Section 230 lets providers like social media companies publish user-generated content without having to review the content first. For example, if you libel someone on Twitter, that is your problem, not Twitter's problem. If you take away Section 230 protections, social media as we know it probably dies. Instead of a real-time pulse on what people are thinking, you'll just get what looks like the letters to the editor section of a newspaper. People who are already celebrities will not be censored, but you will be because you're too small to be worth the risk of being liable for. That means any grassroots political movement, no matter what side of the ideology spectrum it falls on, has no place to start. Be careful what you wish for.

I'll also point out that if Section 230 protections are removed, Donald Trump loses more than anyone. Nobody is going to carry his messages if they can be sued for their content. He'll have to make his own Twitter. His press conferences won't be broadcast live because the liability is too high. It is hilarious to me that Donald Trump is probably the largest beneficiary of Section 230 and he's the one that wants to remove it.

Section 230 is what lets the little guy exercise his or her right to free expression. It gives them a platform where they have an opportunity to let their opinion rise to the top. It saves them from having to buy their own printing press and build their own audience. Nobody is going to buy you a printing press if they're liable for everything you say. So what happens is you don't get to talk anymore.

Re: Twitter hides Donald Trump tweet for “glorifying violence”

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Post by Avicebron »

augustt wrote: post #393
formalsystem wrote: post #368

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://twitter.com/RaheemKassam/status/1266340243134963712 EDIT: Scroll down a bit, the original poster made their account private a few moments ago

Damaging property is not violence.

This is not quite true, losing property can cause real material harm to someone. If my house burns down and I'm on the streets, there is a real chance of harm to my person. Also now apparently words can be violence and cause the cancellation of someone..pretty sure it's all up for grabs now.

Re: Twitter hides Donald Trump tweet for “glorifying violence”

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Post by wmkn »

gweinberg wrote: post #423
wmkn wrote: post #405

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because the exact phrase has historical context [1] in a sense of: if you loot, we shoot. Clearly it wasn’t said in a sense of: looting inevitably leads to violence. That makes it sound like Trump used it in a similar fashion. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/where-does-phrase-...

Looting doesn't lead to violence, looting is violence.

Fair point. ‘Looting inevitably leads to innocent people getting shot’ is probably not what Trump meant.

Re: Twitter hides Donald Trump tweet for “glorifying violence”

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Post by koheripbal »

lenwood wrote: post #414

Trump seems to think Twitter is a public service within his domain, rather than a private company with its own agenda & governance. I'm glad Twitter is responding to him, I respect them for the position they're taking. In addition to his executive order [1], Trump has threatened to delete his Twitter account [2]. [1]: https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-to-sign-executive-order-t... [2]: https://abcnews.go.com/GMA/News…

Can you cite an alternative platform similar to twitter?

Re: Twitter hides Donald Trump tweet for “glorifying violence”

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Post by gbanfalvi »

hpoe wrote: post #355
partiallypro wrote: post #333

Twitter is well within the rights to do this, but I have seen tweets from blue check marks essentially calling for violence and Twitter didn't remove them. So, does that mean Twitter actually -supports- those view points now? If Twitter is going to police people, it needs to be across the board. Otherwise it's just a weird censorship that is targeting one person and can easily be seen as political. Everyone is applau…

There is a worse side effect that comes from conservatives feeling that they have been silenced, as people feel like they have less and less say in a political process they are more and more likely to start employing means outside of it. The real risk here is that if more and more outlets for conservative voices are silenced, whether for good cause or not, this will reinforce the narrative that many of them have that…

Do you believe it’s more dangerous to: A: Remove a post encouraging violence with the risk it’ll anger a group of people? Or... B: Keep it and let it reach 80 million followers?

There’s plenty of evidence that many sites (twitter included) allow violent speech from specific groups because they’re worried of the political backlash. These groups still complain about being silenced just the same, despite blatantly violating the TOS.

It doesn’t work. You’re just giving dangerous and violent people a platform to organize, encourage and enable violence. As a platform owner, you can’t just hope they’ll behave if you treat them nicely.

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Post by threatofrain »

> Trump is intentionally or inadvertently quoting former Miami Police Chief Walter Headley. In December 1967, months before riots broke out during the (Nixon) Republican National Convention, Headley said “when the looting starts, the shooting starts” at the announcement of a new “get tough” policy for policing black neighborhoods. Headley promised to use shotguns, dogs, and aggressive “stop and frisk” tactics in a bid to reduce crime. “We don’t mind being accused of police brutality,” the New York Times reported him saying at the time. “They haven’t seen anything yet.”

Re: Twitter hides Donald Trump tweet for “glorifying violence”

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Post by [deleted] »

phailhaus wrote: post #363
partiallypro wrote: post #333

Twitter is well within the rights to do this, but I have seen tweets from blue check marks essentially calling for violence and Twitter didn't remove them. So, does that mean Twitter actually -supports- those view points now? If Twitter is going to police people, it needs to be across the board. Otherwise it's just a weird censorship that is targeting one person and can easily be seen as political. Everyone is applau…

Eh? Do you have any examples? This is nothing new, Twitter has been applying this standard to tweets for a very long time (it's part of their ToS!). It usually results in deleting your tweet or an outright ban. The only difference here is that they've kept the tweet up since they deem it to be in the public's interest.

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Re: Twitter hides Donald Trump tweet for “glorifying violence”

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Post by koheripbal »

GhostVII wrote: post #353

Hiding the tweet instead of removing it seems like a good compromise to me, but I think this sets a pretty difficult precedent for Twitter. Once you start hiding tweets like this, you are implying that any high profile tweets you don't hide are not classified as glorifying violence. And every time you hide a tweet for glorifying violence, people who supported that tweet will show examples of other tweets which were n…

Only if they applied the rules equally to all politicians, and only if the process were transparent.

There's a lot of danger in allowing corporations to control the political conversation globally.

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Post by anthony_doan »

lykahb wrote: post #351

The neutral companies, such as utilities, online hosting or financial providers serve nearly everyone with little objections - they defer to the law rather than any internal policies. The more selective companies such as newspapers and TV channels are expected to restrict who can get published. By representing itself both as an open platform and as a company with progressive values, Twitter has put itself into an awk…

> utilities

It's natural monopoly and highly regulated.

> online hosting

There was several hoster that ban pornography and white supremacist hosting content.

> financial providers

Templeton fired the lady that was choking her dog while calling the police because an African American man was bird watching. He also asked her to leash her dog.

It's a private company. I don't believe Trump is under a protected class to get special perks.

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Post by pnako »

koheripbal wrote: post #427
QuercusMax wrote: post #378

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Alternatively - if those pushing the far-right violent rhetoric don't have as much of an audience, their support may fade because they don't have a platform. Deplatforming works.

> Deplatforming works. Any evidence for that assertion?

Yeah, I'm not sure how "deplatforming" the US President is even going to work...
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