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DirectX is coming to the Windows Subsystem for Linux

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Re: DirectX is coming to the Windows Subsystem for Linux

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Post by wvenable »

Valmar wrote: post #209
wvenable wrote: post #141

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The thing with WSL is that it doesn't win back the ML segment from Linux to Windows for production workloads. This is just a developer workstation friendly move that explicitly doesn't tie you to Windows itself. It seems like Microsoft is continuing to see Linux as a production server target while positioning Windows to remain relevant as a workstation OS. Ostensibly, this is a move to compete with Mac OS and not Lin…

> This is just a developer workstation friendly move that explicitly doesn't tie you to Windows itself. Ah, but it does tie the developer to Windows ~ this DirectX module can only be used with WSL2, which only runs on Windows.

No, because developers won't be coding to this DirectX module directly. They'll be using CUDA or OpenGL or using another library or framework for which this is just one of many backend implementations.

Unless you think developers would actually bother coding explicitly for the world smallest possible market (Linux inside of Windows).

Re: DirectX is coming to the Windows Subsystem for Linux

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Post by pier25 »

bonzini wrote: post #250
dgellow wrote: post #215

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Wait, is chocolate and peanut butter really a thing?! That sounds quite horrible to my non-US ears. Edit: yep, an online search seems to say that's an actual thing. I guess I'm part of the ten thousand today https://xkcd.com/1053/ . I will never understand the US fascination for peanut butter.

As a European, sandwich with Nutella on one bread side and peanut butter on the other is awesome (except for your cholesterol).

and sugar...

Re: DirectX is coming to the Windows Subsystem for Linux

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Post by 2OEH8eoCRo0 »

foxhill wrote: post #276
lalaland1125 wrote: post #213

It appears that Microsoft has now initiated the "Extend" phase of their classic Embrace, Extend, Extinguish playbook. The key is that the proprietary Microsoft specific API added by this patch is only usable in a WSL environment as it relies on many pieces of proprietary closed source software that Microsoft is unwilling to open source. This patch does nothing but fragment the Linux ecosystem and encourage people to…

i (and others) called this 3 years ago[1]. people need to stop using windows, entirely. i recently built a gaming machine, pretty high spec, and i've resolved to never install windows on it. there are plenty of games i can't play, a few that i would like to. but i wont give money to developers that wont release linux versions of their games - even when they are utilising engines that have linux ports (PUBG being the…

I, for one, like to use my computer. I do not have time for my computer to be some battleground of political OSS zealotry.

Re: DirectX is coming to the Windows Subsystem for Linux

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Post by Semaphor »

toxik wrote: post #445
jfkebwjsbx wrote: post #343

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> Look at a comp sci class in the last decade, and you'll see 1/2-2/3rds of them with MacBook Pros in their laps, Perhaps in some countries, definitely not everywhere. At my university, there is only a single Mac across 40 or so laptops. > because it compiles iOS apps I doubt students buy Macs for that. iPhones are not nearly as popular outside the US. > and it's a *nix Students don’t care about its UNIX certificatio…

What is this, an attempt at gaslighting? Macs are really common in university settings, I won't bother discussing why here, but it is undeniably so in much of the western world.

Max 10% at my university in Germany. I’d say windows/linux was about an even split for the rest.

Re: DirectX is coming to the Windows Subsystem for Linux

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Post by halbritt »

NeverFade wrote: post #372
halbritt wrote: post #357

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> As the other comment explained, they are still a huge gorilla in spaces that are absolutely vital to Linux: server, desktop, and laptop. No reasonable person at Microsoft considers Linux to be a threat on the desktop/laptop. No reasonable person at Microsoft considers Windows Server to be a threat to Linux on the server.

Microsoft holds a large and fast-growing share of the enterprise server market with products like Office365, Exchange, and Sharepoint.

Fast growing?

The on-premises infrastructure market has been and is projected to continue shrinking in favor of cloud spend.

Googling around one can find reports with names like "IDC Worldwide Operating Systems and Subsystems Market Shares report" that show how prevalent Linux is vs. Windows Server even in Enterprise IT.

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Post by confusedreeder »

AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote: post #410
traverseda wrote: post #398

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What kind of linux desktop bullshit? Has it been getting worse?

No, it just isn't getting better. Any time you want to do something even remotely interesting, like install software that is actually up to date and therefore not in the repo, you have to jump through a bunch of hoops. One of my other usecases involved a device with only a 16GB internal disk, so naturally I would like to install applications to an external disk so they actually fit. This is usually trivial on Windows…

what do you mean you wanted to install applications to an external disk?

if you have a separate OS on the external drive, you could chroot in and install it. If you just want that one application to be on the other disk, you could mount it to wherever on the filesystem the program would be installed. However you probably don't wanna do that on an application by application basis. you could mount /usr/bin/ on the external drive for example. or use LVM to share disk space between the disks

Flatpak, Snap, Appimage and other portable format aren't really preferable. they lead to a software ecosystem that amounts to just downloading and running executable binaries off the internet, each with their own overhead.

Re: DirectX is coming to the Windows Subsystem for Linux

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Post by dcgudeman »

josefx wrote: post #186
ghostpepper wrote: post #64

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Aren't large parts of the wayland stack incompatible with NVIDIA drivers? It would be ironic if Microsoft was the one to bridge that gap.

You can use Wayland with NVIDIA drivers. The problem is that NVIDIA and the open source drivers expose different buffer management APIs and Wayland does not abstract over that, so it has to be explicitly handled by every client application. Some Wayland clients refuse to support both, others had NVIDIA support patched in by NVIDIA itself.

Sorry if this question misses the point but how did AMD avoid this issue? Are their drivers open source?

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Post by noisem4ker »

gindely wrote: post #396
computerex wrote: post #342

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> The tooling they make for developers has always been top notch I have to emphatically disagree there. Up until recently Windows didn't even have a decent terminal app. As a developer I tend to shy away from Windows precisely because the *Nix alternatives offer a better development experience, from cli to package management and more.

Windows still doesn't have a decent terminal app! The new one just crashes when I resume from suspend. (I believe it's because when the computer suspends, it forgets about the external monitor. But it's still not evident to me why that should make it crash.)

If we consider third parties, ConEmu is well beyond decent.

Re: DirectX is coming to the Windows Subsystem for Linux

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Post by kevin_thibedeau »

rapind wrote: post #333
m12k wrote: post #264

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Look, I'm not saying saying we should "trust" Microsoft not to Embrace, Extend, Extinguish if they could - but they can't and they know it, so that's not their strategy. EEE was hinged entirely on the dominance of Windows and IE for the Extinguish phase. They won on desktop, but today most of the action has moved to mobile (where Windows lost completely to iOS and Android) and webservers (where Linux is massively dom…

So what you're saying is "Developers, Developers, Developers!"?

Watch out for flying penguins.
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