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Re: Notion for everyone

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Post by laurentb »

cristinacordova wrote: post #187
lilyball wrote: post #147

Notion is great. My one complaint is the fact that there's no "family plan". I currently have a free workspace that I share with my spouse, but we're about to hit the 1000 block limit. Notion CS's recommendation was for me to use a personal plan and invite them to each page we want to share, or to create a top-level page that all of the shared pages are nested under and invite them to the top-level page alone, but th…

(Notion here) We agree! The new personal plan enables you to have unlimited pages & blocks and share with up to 5 guests for free. https://www.notion.so/pricing

so does that mean the person you've shared it with can have access to the full workspace? I honestly don't mind paying $8/month for 2 but it seems that the only way we can both be admin immediately bring this cost to the team plan at $16/mo for two....

Re: Notion for everyone

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Post by laurentb »

lilyball wrote: post #147

Notion is great. My one complaint is the fact that there's no "family plan". I currently have a free workspace that I share with my spouse, but we're about to hit the 1000 block limit. Notion CS's recommendation was for me to use a personal plan and invite them to each page we want to share, or to create a top-level page that all of the shared pages are nested under and invite them to the top-level page alone, but th…

Same problem here, I ended up creating different workspaces altogether as I can't justify paying $16/mo for 2.

all workspaces now appear as "Team plan trial" but still the same limitations as before which is fine with me. all the workspaces are named with our initials at the beginning to make sure we don't get confused with personal ones...

ie : "AB - Home | AB - Finances | AB - Life" etc.

Re: Notion for everyone

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Post by raiyu »

pcx wrote: post #49

I love using Notion, but I think the general discussion about it does not talk enough about how it's flexibility is also a problem many times. 1. Flexibility of blocks is a cognitive overhead for most folks in my team. They would rather prefer more constrained and opinionated approaches like Trello 2. Notion is currently a jack of all trades and master of none. We have tried to use it as a wiki, project tracker, issu…

Ran into the same issue. Loved the design and the demos I saw so I signed up.

What I really wanted was just a simple flexible to-do list, something that I missed from Basecamp v1 and was willing to try somewhere else.

But the flexibility made it a nightmare. Because what I wanted was very simple, the friction that I encountered, though probably not huge, felt much larger, because I felt, why can't this be easier? I just want a simple to do list, and I was messing with headings and all of this non-essential stuff that I didn't need.

I'm sure in a business setting it could be different, especially if someone goes through the trouble of setting things up so you have some sort of system of consistency that you work inside of, but as a first time user the flexibility was a bit of hinderance.

Re: Notion for everyone

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Post by tommoor »

Aeolun wrote: post #419
tommoor wrote: post #243

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Outline could be an alternative if your main usecase was internal team documentation. I understand that Notion can be used for a lot of other things too… It is BSL licensed, the only restriction is that you cannot run a hosted version for other organizations to use (aka compete with the only way the project maintains itself). https://www.getoutline.com/

I cannot use outline unless I have Slack or a Google account?!

That's correct.

Re: Notion for everyone

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Post by threatofrain »

fastball wrote: post #446
dyarosla wrote: post #340

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So why not allow disabling of the box?

Because we do actually want you to click "yes", so that we can understand how you're using the site. Annoying? Absolutely. Unethical? I don't think so. However, since a lot of people are not a fan of our banner, we've decided to add an explicit "no" option. I still disagree that our original implementation is a "dark pattern", as we very explicitly[1] will not sell your data, and tracking for the sake of improving th…

I trust people on HN to have the ethical relationship you envision, where someone uses your service, steps into a place you pay for, and can be generally expected to advance their own interests in a land of push and pull.

But for kids, older adults, and recent immigrants I feel this is borderline confusing (the right way to say no is to ignore?) and manipulative, and I would prefer more margin from the border.

The difficult conversation is to what degree do we expect rational agency from different kinds of folks, how do we think about formal or business relations with them, etc, but I don’t think the answer is “you shouldn’t let older moms or kids into the web”.

Re: Notion for everyone

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Post by davebrny »

skipnup wrote: post #98
awill wrote: post #89

After Evernote started going downhill, I moved to plain markdown inside a Google Drive folder. I use the best, native app for each platform and have zero risk of being affected by a single company cancelling, closing,, increasing the price etc.. Notion does seem pretty interesting, but if they ever shut, stop innovating, or are outshined by a competitor, I don't fancy the idea of moving everything

Can you recommend a markdown native app for Windows? Currently switching to simple markdown notes myself but a bit annoyed always opening VS Code for a tiny note.

i like using marktext. its a single document editor instead of a note manager like notable or evernote, but it also has a sidebar where you can add a folder.

https://marktext.app

im not sure if its actually native though or whether its using electron... but i think ghostwriter is. tried that for a while. pretty much the same as marktext just without a sidebar

https://wereturtle.github.io/ghostwriter

Re: Notion for everyone

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Post by komali2 »

slightwinder wrote: post #407
komali2 wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Certainly is, though slowly but surely you zero in on the "best configuration" for yourself. Whereas when I was using vscode, onenote, google keep, and a bunch of other shit to manage everything, I had "topped out" at productivity. I'm trash at vim (I use evil-mode), org mode, and org-agenda, but I'm still lightyears ahead of where I was 2 years ago before I used these tools.

> I had "topped out" at productivity. Did you topped out the tool or your personal ability? > but I'm still lightyears ahead of where I was 2 years ago before I used these tools. But is this because of the tools, the gain of new experiences or the 2 years difference? And how do you know whether you are really moved forward, and not just run in circles appearing busy without being more productive? Do you have some obj…

> Did you topped out the tool or your personal ability

Both, I'd say.

> Do you have some objective metric for this?

Well my happiness, for one. My sense of accomplishment. How much more I can fit in a day. But no, I don't KPI myself.

Re: Notion for everyone

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Post by Mela1998 »

raiyu wrote: post #453
pcx wrote: post #49

I love using Notion, but I think the general discussion about it does not talk enough about how it's flexibility is also a problem many times. 1. Flexibility of blocks is a cognitive overhead for most folks in my team. They would rather prefer more constrained and opinionated approaches like Trello 2. Notion is currently a jack of all trades and master of none. We have tried to use it as a wiki, project tracker, issu…

Ran into the same issue. Loved the design and the demos I saw so I signed up. What I really wanted was just a simple flexible to-do list, something that I missed from Basecamp v1 and was willing to try somewhere else. But the flexibility made it a nightmare. Because what I wanted was very simple, the friction that I encountered, though probably not huge, felt much larger, because I felt, why can't this be easier? I j…

I can totally relate to this. I often feel that with all these "simplistic" products coming out they actually oversimplify it to the point where it actually takes longer to do. It is great to have the flexibility and all, but where do we draw the line from being too flexible or too simplified? Like you, I ran into the same issues with Notion, so I switched to Trello, but it has some lack of features that I really wanted. I've been searching the web to find team chats that particularly don't require too much integration, and is simple. Especially with task management. I've been seeing a lot of mentions about AirSend on twitter, and I checked out their website. They have a really simple to-do list that is built-in. My team and I just started using it last week, and so far I don't have too many complaints. Not sure if you are looking for a switch, but you might like them. I hope this helps! Their website is, AirSend.io

Re: Notion for everyone

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Post by simonebrunozzi »

I hope the founders of Notion will read this.

I really love Notion. It's filling the vacuum left by Evernote, once Evernote started spamming the hell out of its users.

I like how it's built with a "developer" mentality: there are things that you can do that require a little learning, but become very powerful productivity shortcuts.

What I really, really HATE about Notion is how they handle using it offline. At least for me, every few weeks it happens that I get logged out of Notion, and I couldn't have access to my files offline. It happened to me twice on a plane, and it was frustrating because I needed to access the information.

The other thing that I am not sure about is how they handle security. I've simply been lazy not to read enough about it, but perhaps Notion could make it more clear.

Overall, great job guys. (p.s. I live two blocks from your office, I'd love to come and say hello post-covid if you'd like. My email is my HN username @ gmail.)

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