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Re: Career advice for people with bad luck

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If CTCI is your idea of "brushing up on fundamentals," you're doing it wrong.

What kind of approach would you suggest? Genuinely curious :)

What do you want to learn? How to pass interviews, or actual fundamentals? For that matter, fundamentals of what?

Re: Career advice for people with bad luck

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> Yeah, having money is nice, As someone who was broke for many years and now is less broke (cash is flowing, there's money in my accounts, but I'm deeply in negative net worth due to student debt), I think you're understating the issue, vastly. Simply put, money is freedom. If you have it, you can do things people who don't have it can't. If you have enough of it, you can do just about anything. And, I'm not necessa…

Check out Man's Search for Meaning.

I have plenty of meaning. I’d just like some actual freedom.

Re: Career advice for people with bad luck

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>> Read some philosophy. Buy a reliable used car. As the proud owner of a 2004 Toyota Corolla and a 2011 Philosophy Minor, this line made my day. Honestly it is just plain good advice.

I love my 2001 Corolla. It's got 164k miles on it (had about 140 when I bought it), and I hope to get another 100k out of it!

1998 Honda Civic, 225k miles. Drove it to the Microsoft campus everyday, and parked next to Porsches.

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> - Learn about probability (Fooled by Randomness is a good start). If you constantly expose yourself to more chances of success, _odds are_, you'll start to find more of it. A) You really want to identify gambles with positive expectation. If you constantly expose yourself to “more chances of success” with negative expectation (such as going to the casino for the chance of winning big), you’ll end up ruined. B) Even…

Very much agreed on both points -- which is why I think studying that is important. The tide is definitely against you, but you have a greater chance of fighting it if you know how it works.

Speaking from experience, and also having known a lot of people with a deep understanding of probability, the kind of unluckiness described by OP isn't immediately resolved by a familiarity with probability. For example, it can work against a person where becoming aware of the number of small chance events, that you come to believe you're just wasting your time. But I do think understanding probability is useful in life and underrated.

So that is where good advice would step in to offer some guidance about how to actually apply this knowledge.

Re: Career advice for people with bad luck

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> 2. 12 Rules for Life - Jordan B Peterson A note on this, since mentioning Peterson tends to spark controversy: I think I think the people who get the best out of Peterson don't treat him as a guru issuing rules written in stone tablets (in spite of the implication of the book title) but as a provoker of attention/reflection. This is probably generally true of anyone, but especially worth considering here. I also te…

> but as a provoker of attention/reflection. Smart business choice, this is how you capitalize on ambiguity. Sarcasm as a business model.

Heh. It’s true and I think Peterson is guilty of not only taking advantage of the attention provocation brings but cultivating it to some extent.

But I did have something more specific in mind that I didn’t articulate well: I think he’s successful at provoking attention to some genuinely helpful philosophical questions... and at least calling attention to a segment of knowledge from psych/neuroscience and then to some extent literature and mythology that are relevant to the questions. I can see why the provoke part sometimes overwhelms the rest and limits his audience, he is not without sin, but I think he’s doing more than trading in ambiguous deepities. YMMV, it’s possible someone better educated in those fields can point to something better.

Re: Career advice for people with bad luck

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I really want to see more articles like this on HN. However, this is really "career advice for people at struggling companies." The luck part doesn't get discussed in the way I expected. To me, bad luck is things like: - You're in the wrong place at the wrong time. Ex. you graduated in 2008-2010/now or your business sector got wiped out by COVID - Despite your best efforts at networking, you simply never meet that ma…

> you graduated in 2008-2010/now

Any advice for that?

Re: Career advice for people with bad luck

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> The company is not your family. Some of the people in the company are your friends in the current context. It’s like your dorm in college. Hopefully some of them will still be your friends after. But don’t stay because you’re comfortable. This one hit hard. It’s amazing how many of the close work friends I had over the years were only close because of the shitty circumstances we endured together. Once that was gone…

You may like the Japanese phrase 一期一会 (ichi-go-ichi-e). To me it means that you should cherish each relationship and encounter, regardless of whether you know it will last a long time or not. You may never get the chance to experience that particular relationship again. I actually learnt this word firsthand from a man that it applies to, an middle-aged Japanese guy who was volunteering with kids near where I live. We…

That’s an amazing saying. I, too, once had a middle aged Japanese colleague for just a few weeks - he was a smart engineer and hard worker, and kind to all. But he went back to the “mothership office” soon after - I was sad, but it was nice to work shoulder to shoulder with him. Something to cherish.

Re: Career advice for people with bad luck

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I was in a really similar situation a couple years ago. I was having mental health problems two years into my first job out of college. Around the same time my manager quit and a new manager started, and the new manager only knew me while I was struggling so we didn't have a great relationship. He told me to take a leave of absence, and before the three months were up he sent me an email saying that my job had been t…

> He told me to take a leave of absence, and before the three months were up he sent me an email saying that my job had been terminated due to my company's abandonment policy. I don't understand here. Unless the new manager was just being shitty, being on a leave of absence would generally not be considered job abandonment. In any case, good job on gaming a shitty system. When will people realize that some of the thi…

Yeah I'm not totally sure what he did was legal. Before I took the LOA, I had been missing work and asking to WFH a lot. I probably could have fought it or sued but again, I wasn't in a great place mentally and the whole situation gave me horrible paranoia about going back into tech (on top of the other mental health problems I was having). This was at Amazon, which dooesn't exactly have a reputation for being nice to their employees.

Ironically, even with the gap I think I'm a waaaay better developer than I was at my first job, simply due to having more life experience and being more responsible overall. It probably took me about a month or two to get caught up and not be rusty, and I think my "getting up to speed and familiar with a new codebase and platform" time was more or less the same as it would be at any new job.

Re: Career advice for people with bad luck

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The bit about the equity package rings true to me. I've never had options that have been worth anything. And I had an employee stock purchase program that was a can't lose deal where the shares would be priced at the lower of the price at the beginning and end of the purchase period. Problem was, between the end of the purchase period and the delivery of the shares, the stock price dropped by 30%.

Re: Career advice for people with bad luck

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>- You're in the wrong place at the wrong time. Ex. you graduated in 2008-2010/now or your business sector got wiped out by COVID I feel bad for the higher class pizza restaurant that opened down the street from our house at the end of January after a long time of renovating the building. Even though their pizza isn't really as good as the fancy pizza place at the mall (it's a mall in a rich area) down by the nearby…

Something similar happened to me during this outbreak. Got my CS degree from a no-name university in a third world country a few years back, got a job in one of those software sweatshops getting paid peanuts, moved to a new one an year later where I worked my ass off to learn things and generally be a good developer, but here too I was paid a pittance, mostly due to my education and previous job. I hated working here…

Its not a competition, but I can do you one better. I have excellent jobs get away from me 3 times, days before I join. First was due to 2008 recession, company shutdown and I came to know when I went to join on day ONE, fresh after graduation. The last was now due to covid, the company abandon plans and even fired some their own staff. So, no scope of getting there. Scores of shitty jobs in shitty companies. Couple of failed startups and pending payments I doubt to recover.

But unlike the last 2 times, now it didn't hurt much. May be i developed a tolerance. But its more of the fact that I accepted that many things are beyond my control. The fact it happens, shouldn't be taken personally by looking around and wondering why it "happened to me"? Shit happens, move on.

Focus on self-development like reading more, watching & listening to informative things like documentaries or well-written programs instead of time-killers. Stick to a personal routine and keep a clear head.

What is the fun if everyone has the same story? I story is unique to me, no claims of plagiarism. Your priority is to keep moving forward, whatever happens just think how to move forward.

I just talking this time and studying. What else can I do? I do spend about an hour applying for jobs. Learn new skills, in job & in life. I have a small garden now that was setup during this covid times. I contribute fresh leafs to the meals at home.

> so here I am sitting jobless leeching on my family till god know when. sitting jobless - that is you. Why sit simply, do something productive for you or the ones around you. Just washed some old unused vessels in the kitchen that my mom wanted to use now. leeching? as long was you not drinking or snorting drugs and actually trying to move forward its fine. Your time will come. You need to believe that to keep moving forward.

Dont resent or feel jealous of the ones who seem to have things better than you. You can never compare yourself to any one around.

The only person to compete with is yourself from yesterday.

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