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Re: China

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Post by teknologist »

DarthGhandi wrote: post #396
spacehunt wrote: post #334

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Definitely, pretty much from day one the PRC has been accusing the CIA and MI6 for inciting the "riots" designed to hurt the feelings of Chinese people.

For reference here's the known efforts of the CIA in stirring the pot around the world. They are prolific by any comparison. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in_r...

Who cares that the CIA might be behind this though? This is something that has to happen or your children are going to have pretty awful lives.

Re: China

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Post by sneak »

flyingswift wrote: post #113
sneak wrote: post #28

It really surprised me that Google staff went apeshit over Dragonfly, and GitHubbers over the ICE contract, yet Apple rank and file seem relatively content with a special backdoored iCloud service that is used in China, no doubt used daily to target people for human rights abuses via surveillance.

Same thing could be said for Microsoft, where employees were upset they were providing O365 and Azure to ICE, but there is no similar outrage directed towards the special China cloud they run

Microsoft has always been firmly embedded with human rights abusers and military the world over—there was no departure from the status quo there.

Re: China

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Post by sneak »

Lammy wrote: post #77
sneak wrote: post #28

It really surprised me that Google staff went apeshit over Dragonfly, and GitHubbers over the ICE contract, yet Apple rank and file seem relatively content with a special backdoored iCloud service that is used in China, no doubt used daily to target people for human rights abuses via surveillance.

I think the compartmentalized nature of Apple corporate culture probably influences that. You can’t be upset about a project you don’t know exists.

It’s public knowledge.

Re: China

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Post by oliwarner »

natch wrote: post #279
ddevault wrote: post #27

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Author here. Thank you for your earnest concern. I'm a pretty risk-averse person and I take lots of pains to address those contingencies for all of my digital services.

Hi author, wondering what you think China should do with the organs of executed prisoners? It’s easy to find fault with them for (presumably) not asking for permission but it seems it would be a pity for them not to be used to help patients in need, no? This is separate from the question of what supposed crimes led to the execution. Short waiting lists can be explained by the lack of permission not only for execution…

Step 0: Don't execute people for non-violent crimes.

That's a part of the problem here. People speak their mind, disappear into a black bag and end up donating their organs to a Party member's daughter five months later.

The other major part being that there's very little due process, or fair justice, not in the way that you or I would expect it. Certainly not with lives on the line.

Worrying about wasted organs misses the point by an absurd distance.

Re: China

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Post by cnThrowaway »

yorwba wrote: post #310
cnThrowaway wrote: post #269

I traveled extensively in China this year. A strong sense of nationalism keeps the government strong and allows them to trample on the rights of minorities. A trade war / sanctions will only fuel that even further. (Like the humiliation of Germany after WWI helped Hitler to gain power). The best remedy is to undermine the Great Firewall. And the easiest to hide censored content* in sites that are not filtered (like t…

If Baidu can't get to it, what's the point? Hiding censored content in sites that are not filtered isn't going to help anyone if it can't be found.

Many ways. A members only section or a captcha would look the most natural.

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Post by sobani »

natch wrote: post #447
rlue wrote: post #429

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It's not just about the rights of the person being executed, but also those of their loved ones. You may say you wouldn't care if your dead carcass was, say, grotesquely abused for someone else's amusement—after all, you're dead and no longer around to have any feelings about it—but how would your children feel? How would you feel if that was the fate awaiting your life partner? The shared endeavor of human society e…

>grotesquely abused Yeah that would be disrespectful. Kind of moving the goalposts though to use that example when talking about organ transplant, something that helps people who might otherwise die. Obviously I am not saying execution is worth it for that. Just more that if someone is dead already for whatever reason, it's hard to see it as a bad thing to help the living, if that can be done. I mean if we're going t…

For some religions, organ donation is a grotesque abuse of the body.

Re: China

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Post by biolurker1 »

I am a bit weirded out and pessimistic. If in any case in 27 years HK will be totally under Chinese control what would be the reason to fight it now temporarily? Unless the issue at stake is complete freedom. That can escalate to full blown war and possibly a global one.

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Post by numismatex »

hkmaxpro wrote: post #371
Aperocky wrote: post #216

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Both the west and China omit information when reporting about HK. China highlights protester violence, the west talk about police. The only difference is that west is doing it voluntarily. If you step back and think about it, if this protest were to happen in the US, with subways burned, shops destroyed, road blocked, for 6 months. What is going to happen? Compare this hypothetical scenario with what happened in Hong…

> If you step back and think about it, if this protest were to happen in the US, with subways burned, shops destroyed, road blocked, for 6 months. What is going to happen? Compare this hypothetical scenario with what happened in Hong Kong. If the same protests happened in the US, with a quarter of the population marching peacefully on June 16 (as it did in Hong Kong), the government has to immediately respond to its…

Uh, no they wouldn't. They'd kill them for what they are -- rioters and looters, assaulting people and terrorizing an entire city of 17 million people.

They wouldn't care about losing. It's about response. Our response to riots like this is to declare martial law and send in the law enforcement and troops.

"will be avoided"?? as if they didn't happen.

Hong Kong was never promised democracy nor independence in any agreement with China. It's been talked about, again and again.

If you think that this is what the HK riots have been all about, think again. Poverty, housing, criminality, Canton vs Mandarin, HK vs China -- the British faced this several times and their response was exactly what the US would be, with a large death toll. The government didn't change hands at that point, kiddo.

Check your repetitive narrative and self-delusion when you leave your safe space.

Re: China

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Post by numismatex »

perennate wrote: post #289
Aperocky wrote: post #216

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Both the west and China omit information when reporting about HK. China highlights protester violence, the west talk about police. The only difference is that west is doing it voluntarily. If you step back and think about it, if this protest were to happen in the US, with subways burned, shops destroyed, road blocked, for 6 months. What is going to happen? Compare this hypothetical scenario with what happened in Hong…

In the US I can read any English source, both ones from China and ones from US/UK media. I read that the CCP imprisoned approximately one million Uighurs in concentration camps in Xinjiang, where they are being held indefinitely without due process, and there are reports of physical torture (waterboarding and tiger chair), rape, and occasional killings. I also read from CCP's point of view that this started because t…

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Re: China

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Post by account73466 »

kick wrote: post #406
account73466 wrote: post #378

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How else to turn HN guys to do illegal and/or immoral privacy-related things if not to make them feel that they are doing the right thing?

Both of you are Han Chinese, judging by your post history, correct? While this may be intellectually hostile for you, it's certainly intellectually stimulating, and helpful to the people in your country who aren't of the ethnic majority (and to people of the ethnic majority outside of your country, in places like Taiwan, that your government desires to claim so strongly).

No, I am not. I am a white man living in Western Europe. Yet another time, you are wrong.
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