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Re: Brave launches 1.0

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Post by lonelappde »

xkde wrote: post #384
justsee wrote: post #328

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Recent cross-platform options with surveillance capitalism: * Google Chrome: mandatory * Firefox: opt-out [1] * Brave: blocked That's the primary issue. It's great that Brave is pioneering a new opt-in, privacy-respecting funding model for the web - we need innovation here - but it's a secondary issue. [1] Thanks to Google $, slowly changing presumably thanks to forcing effects of Apple's increasing privacy defaults…

I’m having a hard time trying to decide if people are trying to dirty capitalism with “surveillance” or surveillance with capitalism. Seems like the latter has become a dirty word over night for no apparent reason.

Adjectives modify nouns.

In the case, it's a bit tricky, but "surveillance" is acting as an adjective, more specifically a noun adjunct

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noun_adjunct

Re: Brave launches 1.0

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Post by tuesdayrain »

TremendousJudge wrote: post #256
jonathansampson wrote: post #179

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Brave Ads are opt-in, and user-configurable. You decide whether or not to participate, and to what degree (1 to 5 ads per hour). These ads are surfaced as OS notifications, which means they respect settings like Do Not Disturb, Focus Mode, etc. And, as always, you receive 70% of the ad revenue for your participation. Respectfully, that doesn't strike me as an "escalation of hostility" when you compare against the cur…

>when you compare against the current option To me the current option is no participation because I see no explicit ads. The web is pull and not push, and my browser renders whatever I want it to. As for the revenue, they can keep it for all I care, why would I want to make money browsing the web? It'd be like making money for talking a walk in the park

> As for the revenue, they can keep it for all I care, why would I want to make money browsing the web? It'd be like making money for talking a walk in the park

?? I don't understand this logic or analogy even remotely. I would love to make money by doing things I already do for free

Re: Brave launches 1.0

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Post by lonelappde »

theli0nheart wrote: post #265
hinkley wrote: post #257

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GP is on track to become my highest rated comment on HN, which suggests more people agree with me about this than anything else I've said here. There are some of us that think the distraction economy is making the world a worse place. OS notifications have a higher participation rate than side-bar ads because 1) nobody has learned to tune them out, and 2) theoretically speaking, these are the things we opted not to f…

That your comment was highly upvoted doesn't necessarily mean what you think it does. I often upvote items I disagree with only because they bring up something worthy of discussion. I'm curious how many other HNers do the same.

On tired old political debates like this, most votes are just cheers for one team or the other.

Re: Brave launches 1.0

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Post by RandomBacon »

theli0nheart wrote: post #265
hinkley wrote: post #257

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GP is on track to become my highest rated comment on HN, which suggests more people agree with me about this than anything else I've said here. There are some of us that think the distraction economy is making the world a worse place. OS notifications have a higher participation rate than side-bar ads because 1) nobody has learned to tune them out, and 2) theoretically speaking, these are the things we opted not to f…

That your comment was highly upvoted doesn't necessarily mean what you think it does. I often upvote items I disagree with only because they bring up something worthy of discussion. I'm curious how many other HNers do the same.

> I often upvote items I disagree with only because they bring up something worthy of discussion. I'm curious how many other HNers do the same.

I do, though it's rare. I've done it for comments a few times, but mostly just for low-karma threads that don't have any comments yet, where I want to see what other people have to say.

Re: Brave launches 1.0

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Post by blondin »

judah wrote: post #13

I've been using Brave rewards, both as a user and a content maker. It's really great, and I feel this may be a reasonable alternative to the invasive trackers+ads we have today. For the uninitiated, Brave lets users opt-in to Brave rewards: - You set your browser to reward content creators with Basic Attention Token (BAT). You set a budget (e.g. 10 BAT/month), and Brave distributes it the sites you use most, e.g. if…

my issue with brave is the false pretense of caring about our privacy and being better than what's out there they started with then at some point they did a u-turn and went on selling ads... i just can't shake the feeling of that nothing good is coming out of this.

Re: Brave launches 1.0

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Post by tuesdayrain »

pergadad wrote: post #285
chabes wrote: post #274

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As far as I understand it, using the browser with the default settings is basically like using Chrome with ad blocking (and tracking protection and all of that) already built in. The only opt in part is allowing ads, which you get paid for viewing.

You don't get paid. You get tokens which you can then provide to creators.

You do get paid, considering you can sell the tokens. I expect the tokens I've earned across all my devices to be worth a nice few hundred USD some day.

Re: Brave launches 1.0

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Post by lonelappde »

mdorazio wrote: post #54
judah wrote: post #13

I've been using Brave rewards, both as a user and a content maker. It's really great, and I feel this may be a reasonable alternative to the invasive trackers+ads we have today. For the uninitiated, Brave lets users opt-in to Brave rewards: - You set your browser to reward content creators with Basic Attention Token (BAT). You set a budget (e.g. 10 BAT/month), and Brave distributes it the sites you use most, e.g. if…

I would personally much rather allocate actual dollars instead of CryptoBuckOfTheDay backed by ads I have no desire to ever watch. Say, $20/month that gets allocated to sites I visit. The whole "reward people for watching ads" model just seems... wrong.

It's impossible to transact in actual dollars online. Dollars are made of cloth. When you use a checking account or credit card online, it's using crypto.

You can buy BAT and send it to a site owner.

Re: Brave launches 1.0

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Post by anchpop »

cyborgx7 wrote: post #442
arghwhat wrote: post #334

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Yes, this is a perfectly sensible stance, which of course requires you to actively pay for content instead, either through brave or some other program. I'm sure you're not just expecting content creators to make stuff for you full-time entirely for free. Ads should die, but it requires consumers to realize that they need to pay for content one way or another.

I do pay several patreon, have automatic transfer set up for two projects, and a long standing subscription to a website I'm a fan of. But people don't need to realize anything for ads to die. All they need to realize is that they should all be using ad blockers and never ever turning it off again. Being able to make people look in your direction long enough to show them something else they might spend money on is no…

> But people don't need to realize anything for ads to die. All they need to realize is that they should all be using ad blockers and never ever turning it off again.

That isn't true at all. What about when I play a youtube video on my chromecast and it shows an ad on my TV? What happens when websites draw all their content using the canvas instead of the DOM, and adblockers don't work anymore, or websites like Hulu which already make it difficult to enjoy the content while avoiding the ads.

Re: Brave launches 1.0

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Post by [deleted] »

asdkhadsj wrote: post #292
cyborgx7 wrote: post #267

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I already decided my Ad participation. I block ads, and want the advertising industry to die. This does not seem like a value add to me.

Yea, I'd be happier if there was some notion of an inherent value in my eyeballs - and then I could just put that money into the system. Eg, I pay $5/m or $15/m, whatever, and that gets split up by the number of pages I view and content I consume. I'm a firm believer that FOSS and (Internet) Content needs funding. Yet, I loathe ads. They promote (but are not solely to blame for) behavior that is a brain drain on soci…

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Re: Brave launches 1.0

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Post by kevin_thibedeau »

znpy wrote: post #196
swebs wrote: post #132

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The real question is: Why should you watch them at all?

Because you're probably not paying for 99% of the contents that your web browser loads.

They're not paying me for the compute resources their suspicious unnecessary JavaScript payload consumes. If they were good actors respecting my property, I would respect theirs.
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