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U of Chicago projected to be the first U.S. university to cost $100k per year

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One thing I find crazy is the very same institutions that are generally very left leaning, decry income inequality, and espouse generally liberal views then turn around and having tuition costs that having been rising at rates so far above inflation. Student debt is a major issue in the US and the ever increasing costs of tuition are a MAJOR culprit in pushing this crisis. Where are these costs coming from? How can y…

> One thing I find crazy is the very same institutions that are generally very left leaning, decry income inequality, and espouse generally liberal views then turn around and having tuition costs that having been rising at rates so far above inflation. It's weird you chose to make this comment on an article about the University of Chicago, the home of Milton Friedman, Supply-side economics, "no safe spaces"[1] and so…

Tuition rates seem to be rising across the board however. University of Chicago is just the tip of the spear.

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> Throughout history, every time loans are invented to pay for something, the price skyrockets. Which is why interest-bearing loans are prohibited in the three major religions. Puts things into perspective.

Which major religion other than Islam forbids it?

Judaism and Christianity. Although many of their followers strayed from the original teachings.

Re: U of Chicago projected to be the first U.S. university to cost $100k per year

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One thing I find crazy is the very same institutions that are generally very left leaning, decry income inequality, and espouse generally liberal views then turn around and having tuition costs that having been rising at rates so far above inflation. Student debt is a major issue in the US and the ever increasing costs of tuition are a MAJOR culprit in pushing this crisis. Where are these costs coming from? How can y…

Given that most (yes, most) students at the University of Chicago receive financial aid, what you're seeing is a sticker price. The school is using the high sticker price + financial aid to perform very efficient price discrimination[0], so they can get a lot of money from people who can pay. It is effectively a sliding scale fee [1]. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Price_discrimination [1] https://en.wikipedia.org…

That is part of it, but the term "financial aid" is usually trotted around to make people think that the less wealthy are getting "aid" but in reality, the majority of that "aid" is in the form of non-dischargeable student loans.

I don't consider a loan "aid". Especially since that loan has interest.

Re: U of Chicago projected to be the first U.S. university to cost $100k per year

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One thing I find crazy is the very same institutions that are generally very left leaning, decry income inequality, and espouse generally liberal views then turn around and having tuition costs that having been rising at rates so far above inflation. Student debt is a major issue in the US and the ever increasing costs of tuition are a MAJOR culprit in pushing this crisis. Where are these costs coming from? How can y…

> One thing I find crazy is the very same institutions that are generally very left leaning Why? Being Left leaning is easiest when it's not your money. Yes! Raise our tuition! More levies! Mommy and daddy will pick up the tab. If not the government-backed loans will take care of it and I just won't pay for it. After all, those capitalist boomer tax payers should subsidize my virtuous leftist existence. It's just lik…

Do you prefer they lean to the right, increase deficits, and promote a military budget larger than the military asks for?

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Which major religion other than Islam forbids it?

It's been some time since my Bible studies but isn't there something in the Old Testament against loans / lending money with interest?

According to the following, it's prohibited:

[1] https://bible.oremus.org/?passage=Leviticus+25:36%E2%80%9325...

[2] https://bible.oremus.org/?passage=Exodus+22:25

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It's been some time since my Bible studies but isn't there something in the Old Testament against loans / lending money with interest?

No. It says the borrower is a slave to the lender and to be aware. But it is not against the Church.

Leviticus 25:36-37 says otherwise.

Re: U of Chicago projected to be the first U.S. university to cost $100k per year

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One thing I find crazy is the very same institutions that are generally very left leaning, decry income inequality, and espouse generally liberal views then turn around and having tuition costs that having been rising at rates so far above inflation. Student debt is a major issue in the US and the ever increasing costs of tuition are a MAJOR culprit in pushing this crisis. Where are these costs coming from? How can y…

I work at one local university, and my wife works at another. One thing we've definitely noticed (and this is a widespread problem) is that the administration is becoming more top-heavy. There are cutbacks in faculty, support, and teaching staff, more reliance on adjuncts (academic temps, basically), and so on, while central administration grows. Expensive new buildings contribute, but less than people suppose. But t…

An AEI report on 'administrative bloat' in higher education: https://www.aei.org/carpe-diem/diversity-and-other-administr...

Re: U of Chicago projected to be the first U.S. university to cost $100k per year

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Are the people who actually teach the classes (professors who teach and TAs) getting raises matching the tuition raises in your school? Or, is all of the money diverted to administration?

I wasn't in a position to be explicitly told, although I did at one point see an anonymized list of faculty salaries and they did not seem unreasonable (only one in six figures). This school is about 40 minutes away from a city with an international airport. I think "diverted" is perhaps a strong word here. The way administrators see it, the administration is necessary to even reach the point where faculty can teach…

> Students absolutely expect good WiFi, good Internet speeds, Google Apps-quality e-mail, and that's just tech stuff.

My personal internet with Comcast is ~$60/month, so assuming universities have greater bargaining power due to scale that shouldn't make much of a dent in tuition. And my college email interface was clunky but I just set it up to forward everything to Gmail, which is free.

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Did you mean shockingly inexpensive? UNC Chapel Hill (what I assume you mean by North Carolina) costs students from the state $8,834 USD. Out-of-state tuition is $33,916. I would not call either number "shockingly expensive." Michigan is $14,402 and $45,410. UVA is similar. Quite a bit more but still not anything shocking. Minnesota is similar but out-of-state tuition is just $23k.

In what world is $34K/year not "shockingly expensive"? [Edited to add: Some people have more than one child. Some of them have more than one child in college at the same time.]

I agree it's high, but these are all state schools. You're picking the out-of-state tuition number that's not supposed to be subsidized by local taxes. It's far easier to raise tuition on out-of-state kids so that has happened in recent years as well.

I still don't consider it shockingly expensive - it's been the top value public university in the country for 18 years in a row.

https://www.newsobserver.com/news/local/article233110061.htm...

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