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Re: We are leaving the Apple App Store and all its problems

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That's the one time cost for purchase outside of contract... For N95. Not for iPhone, at least not for normal people. The reality in 2008 is that Apple forbid selling iPhone without contract, with contract requiring special extra Apple tax (we already had "unlimited data" for years by then). So you were paying whatever the telco asked you for the phone, then paid extra to Apple as long as you used the "iPhone tariff"…

The cost of a phone bundled with a contract bears no relation to the real-world cost. Depending on your monthly payment and length of contract, you could pay $100 or $500 for the same phone. In some markets, iPhones were bundled with a contract because networks had bidding wars for exclusivity.

From the PoV of someone buying a phone, in that specific time and location, cost of phone without contract was rarely ever known. And the iPhone wasn't sold outside of network with attached plan anyway.

From the PoV of someone working at the network and having the luck to talk with some pretty high up there people... the exclusivity was only for order in which networks got the phone. As in, present-day T-Mobile Poland made a bid to be the first network to have it - but it didn't have any kind of long exclusivity and was soon followed by Orange and Plus (the other two "main" networks). All networks had special iPhone "plans" and the phone wasn't available outside of them, and the only technical difference was that said plans ultimately got the very buggy Visual Voicemail server attached and probably triggered workarounds for call handling bugs.

The Apple tax on the phone bill itself, and making it unavailable outside of contract, were all on Apple. (I think for some time using one outside of approved contract even required jailbreaking, but I can't be sure).

Re: We are leaving the Apple App Store and all its problems

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Nokia is happily selling Android devices, after surviving Elop's management and guess how much market share Android has worldwide. Apparently everyone on Europe was a business person when using Nokia and Sony phones, go figure.

Stop being obtuse. And stop banging about Europe and phones. You blatantly haven’t got a clue.

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Re: We are leaving the Apple App Store and all its problems

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post #449
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Nokia is happily selling Android devices, after surviving Elop's management and guess how much market share Android has worldwide. Apparently everyone on Europe was a business person when using Nokia and Sony phones, go figure.

Stop being obtuse. And stop banging about Europe and phones. You blatantly haven’t got a clue.

Personal attacks will get you banned here. Could you please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and use HN as intended?

Re: We are leaving the Apple App Store and all its problems

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Yep. As an android user and ex apple fanboy, I very much miss the relative safety of the iOS app store.

Well you can always go back. Just make sure you can afford it and all the dongles you'll need.

I'll go back when their hardware is beautiful again and when offline Spotify lands on Apple watch.
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