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Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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Post by Chilinot »

xedeon wrote: post #443
benj111 wrote: post #435

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Are you not highlighting another problem. Buttons are always in the same place, I know where they are, I don't have to go hunting for the thing that used to be there, but is now in a sub sub menu, meanwhile you aren't looking where you're going.

Geez people. It's NOT a submenu.. You just move the scroll-wheel up and down or push it to turn it on/off. It's that simple. It's also the default behavior. Here: https://youtu.be/_eyxkzaNZX0 Do you get it now? Taking your hands off the steering wheel involves more steps compared to this.

The video you linked contains menus and submenus.

Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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Post by jordanbeiber »

benj111 wrote: post #441
iamsb wrote: post #434

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I was under the impression that tesla lets you adjust most of the settings using voice command, is that incorrect?

Are you suggesting from a safety point of view? Perhaps? I know the latest studies suggest hands free phone calls aren't much better than handed phone calls [1], I don't know if there would be a difference between a conversation and barking out instructions in this context. Id still prefer buttons. [1] https://www.insurancejournal.com/news/international/2016/07/...

I personally believe texting while driving to be the main issue.

The number of times I’ve seen people cars swivel around on the highway texting can’t be counted.

If I’m driving with someone and I see cars behave erratic I usually bet the driver is texting. Mostly they are and it’s just too obvious - it’s for some reason a specific pattern to it. I can’t be alone in noticing this?

Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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Post by benj111 »

xedeon wrote: post #443
benj111 wrote: post #435

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you not highlighting another problem. Buttons are always in the same place, I know where they are, I don't have to go hunting for the thing that used to be there, but is now in a sub sub menu, meanwhile you aren't looking where you're going.

Geez people. It's NOT a submenu.. You just move the scroll-wheel up and down or push it to turn it on/off. It's that simple. It's also the default behavior. Here: https://youtu.be/_eyxkzaNZX0 Do you get it now? Taking your hands off the steering wheel involves more steps compared to this.

Maybe for that one example. In general a changing UI is not a good thing whilst trying to concentrate on other things. It isn't about hands on wheel, its about mental load, a hardware button is muscle memory, I don't have to look at it, I don't have think about it.

Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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Post by xedeon »

Chilinot wrote: post #451
xedeon wrote: post #443

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Geez people. It's NOT a submenu.. You just move the scroll-wheel up and down or push it to turn it on/off. It's that simple. It's also the default behavior. Here: https://youtu.be/_eyxkzaNZX0 Do you get it now? Taking your hands off the steering wheel involves more steps compared to this.

The video you linked contains menus and submenus.

Yes for other controls. But the DEFAULT scroll functions controls the A/C you can see that its the top item when pressing the menu NOT scrollwheel

I made that video because this keeps coming up, I know how it works...

Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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Post by xedeon »

benj111 wrote: post #453
xedeon wrote: post #443

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Geez people. It's NOT a submenu.. You just move the scroll-wheel up and down or push it to turn it on/off. It's that simple. It's also the default behavior. Here: https://youtu.be/_eyxkzaNZX0 Do you get it now? Taking your hands off the steering wheel involves more steps compared to this.

Maybe for that one example. In general a changing UI is not a good thing whilst trying to concentrate on other things. It isn't about hands on wheel, its about mental load, a hardware button is muscle memory, I don't have to look at it, I don't have think about it.

Ahhh backpedaling now are we? The topic was about A/C control... Hence that's the specific video proof I provided.

> It isn't about hands on wheel, its about mental load, a hardware button is muscle memory, I don't have to look at it, I don't have think about it. reply

I don't have to look to use the scroll wheel controls too. Did you not see on the video that they are physical buttons? What's your point exactly?

Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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Post by rimliu »

xedeon wrote: post #309
makomk wrote: post #272

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Apparently identifying speed limit signs is AP1-only, because it relied on Mobileye's technology to do that and Tesla still haven't implemented their own replacement for that feature yet.

> Apparently identifying speed limit signs is AP1-only, because it relied on Mobileye's technology to do that and Tesla still haven't implemented their own replacement for that feature yet. It's more of Tesla can't because because MobileEye owns the patent: https://patents.google.com/patent/US20080137908A1/en

My Honda Civic has speed limit sign recognition. And it is possible to set cruise-control to limit the speed accordingly. Or are we talking about something more complicated?

Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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Post by [deleted] »

xedeon wrote: post #455
benj111 wrote: post #453

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe for that one example. In general a changing UI is not a good thing whilst trying to concentrate on other things. It isn't about hands on wheel, its about mental load, a hardware button is muscle memory, I don't have to look at it, I don't have think about it.

Ahhh backpedaling now are we? The topic was about A/C control... Hence that's the specific video proof I provided. > It isn't about hands on wheel, its about mental load, a hardware button is muscle memory, I don't have to look at it, I don't have think about it. reply I don't have to look to use the scroll wheel controls too. Did you not see on the video that they are physical buttons? What's your point exactly?

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Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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Post by benj111 »

xedeon wrote: post #455
benj111 wrote: post #453

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe for that one example. In general a changing UI is not a good thing whilst trying to concentrate on other things. It isn't about hands on wheel, its about mental load, a hardware button is muscle memory, I don't have to look at it, I don't have think about it.

Ahhh backpedaling now are we? The topic was about A/C control... Hence that's the specific video proof I provided. > It isn't about hands on wheel, its about mental load, a hardware button is muscle memory, I don't have to look at it, I don't have think about it. reply I don't have to look to use the scroll wheel controls too. Did you not see on the video that they are physical buttons? What's your point exactly?

Why am I backpedalling? The conversation is allowed to evolve, you're the one who raised the point about the changing UI.

"I don't have to look to use the scroll wheel controls too"

No you have to look at the screen, while you're trying to find the thing that was right there before the update.

Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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Post by mikorym »

xedeon wrote: post #420
kaiwen1 wrote: post #413

The depth and breadth of anti-Tesla sentiment in HN threads is curious. It's rarely from owners. By all satisfaction surveys, owners love their Teslas.

It's very intriguing indeed... I always thought the HN demographic is a pretty smart bunch, because I often learn quite a bit from the comment section. I don't get all of the anti-Tesla vitriol, I'm honestly curious what fuels it. It's like all objectivity get's thrown out the window.

I think the people that read HN is a different demographic from those that submit, and again different from those that comment. If you look at people's profiles you can quite starkly see some are uploaders, some don't upload or comment, some only comment. Having said that, HN is more obnoxious nowadays to me than earlier.

Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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Post by xedeon »

benj111 wrote: post #458
xedeon wrote: post #455

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ahhh backpedaling now are we? The topic was about A/C control... Hence that's the specific video proof I provided. > It isn't about hands on wheel, its about mental load, a hardware button is muscle memory, I don't have to look at it, I don't have think about it. reply I don't have to look to use the scroll wheel controls too. Did you not see on the video that they are physical buttons? What's your point exactly?

Why am I backpedalling? The conversation is allowed to evolve, you're the one who raised the point about the changing UI. "I don't have to look to use the scroll wheel controls too" No you have to look at the screen, while you're trying to find the thing that was right there before the update.

> No you have to look at the screen, while you're trying to find the thing that was right there before the update.

Anecdotally speaking no... The item order have NOT changed from updates since 2012. I own the car and I am not speculating here. The UI change I mentioned was mainly aesthetic, similar to the iOS 6 to 7 color/look change.

I even said it should be the same even with the updates on my original post?

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