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Re: Google’s GDPR Workaround

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The whole intention of this clickbait article by Brave, without any technical details, is to sell it's browser.

Yeah, it's so annoying. WHAT PERSONAL DATA? The entire article is basically a rant about "personal data can be leaked" without any examples. Names? Browser Habits? What is it?

That depends on the page of course. This behaviour lets advertisers cross-correlate users.

Re: Google’s GDPR Workaround

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Well, I am an European, it's sad about the US Gov./DoJ, but that is not something I have the right to demand from my part.

Seriously, what kind of idiots have downvoting rights on HN that they downvoted the above comment?

Some of your comments, like this one, have been breaking the site guidelines. Would you please review them and use HN more as intended?

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Google’s GDPR Workaround

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There is a reason they didn't. They fear the US government's reaction. Edit: Why downvote? Do you really think that the US government will stay silent if the European Union threatens with such fines? Political tensions are something you take heavily into account.

EU should ignore the fines this time and start an "information campaign" regarding behavior of Google and others. I bet that hurts Google 10 times more.

They could also do both.

I'm _really_ tempted to write that they could use the fine to finance the information campaign, but I know that government finances doesn't work that way.

Re: Google’s GDPR Workaround

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I think that’s incorrect, relevant ads could be displayed based purely on the site content, without user info attached to ad calls. We’ve been there.

Why the downvote? Care to provide a reason?

From [the guidelines](https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html):

> Please don't comment about the voting on comments. It never does any good, and it makes boring reading.

Re: Google’s GDPR Workaround

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I am so glad that this violation is being exposed. Well done Brave! I invite any developer / blogger to check out https://CodeFund.io . We are a non-tracking 100% open source ethical ad platform that focuses on funding open source.

It's ok to occasionally link to one's own site in relevant contexts, but only as a small part of using HN as intended—i.e. for gratifying intellectual curiosity: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

But it looks like you've been using HN primarily to do this. That crosses into spamming, so please don't.

Re: Google’s GDPR Workaround

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There were two faux-sophisticated takes. "See, I told you they were spying on everybody!" and "Everyone already knew they were spying on everybody!" Both were from the same group of conspiracy theorists who believed the US government was spying on everybody even after Snowden's massive leak showed they weren't.

"Faux sophisticated" my ass. EU was warning about Echelon since before 9/11. The Patriot act detailed everything Snowden "revealed" (we basically only learned the actual names of the programs). There was genuine shock in Europe that Chirac, Sarkozy, Hollande, Merkel were all spied on by NSA. Yes, we were naive conspiracy theorists when we were saying "you know, they gave them the right to do it, so they are probably…

> There was genuine shock in Europe that Chirac, Sarkozy, Hollande, Merkel were all spied on by NSA

The USA (and all major powers) has spied on foreign diplomats and leaders since its inception. This should come as a surprise to nobody. You had earlier claimed that the NSA was spying on everybody, which clearly isn't happening.

Re: Google’s GDPR Workaround

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I've had ads for things spoken about show up in FB. I have more of a libertarian mindset, but that really creeps me out and I think speech-based ads be outright banned due to privacy concerns. It's not so much the ads; it's being recorded and potentially having those recordings leak in a data breach.

Or it's just one of 100 coincidences that happen to you every day. Easy to prove, store a log of all your network traffic, and record all the audio you speak, then when you see a match, go back, find the proof, become world famous

I stand corrected. I thought I had read this was actually happening, but it appears to only be speculation.

Re: Google’s GDPR Workaround

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I checked the sample log provided. Below is the google_gid for different publishers, there is no proof of overlap, they have different google_gid for same person. Which is exactly what google describes. [1] I don't understand what Brave claims. d.agkn.com CAESEP-S3Zs5f0_kq11XTCZP_mE id.rlcdn.com CAESEPpf2T4-2AsAR_4rer3RfNs image6.pubmatic.com CAESEB9H3qdV26kxEiz-BJ_TY-M pippio.com CAESEJyqG1Pg1j-_scqW8kDzTkg token.ru…

which is the "workaround" to the gdpr the article badly describes (probably because brave upcoming ad network will do the same but more workaroundily) now those are used to match a 3rd party id. you just need a gdpr_workaround schema in your data base with two columns user-id, google-random-id with N-1 records indexed both ways. gdpr has restrictions on pin pointing a single person. this is effectively doing that, bu…

Well, the “right” workaround is an opt-in system. But that would drastically reduce the number of qualified ad prospects, reducing their wholesale value, killing the online ad business, drying up the websites themselves who exist for this revenue (some/many of which are trash, but not nearly all).

I don’t think we can have it both ways, or at least it is very difficult and we don’t have a great compromise solution.

Re: Google’s GDPR Workaround

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I think the HN community, and most consumers, tend to look at things from only one angle. Imagine you start work at some small shop that manufacturers widgets for consumers. What would you do when you have to advertise your product? You'd have to turn to Google is a similar company. Are there any real alternatives? (I am asking because I really want to know) I say this because I am in this position now. I have to fig…

Online shop only, or brick and mortar?

Trade "print" media with an online presence. Online media that doesn't sell all their pixels to Google? Radio, depending on your audience and required reach? Forums specific to your audience that don't sell all their pixels to Google. Podcasts. Submarine articles in the trades? Open source ad networks that don't embed insanity or real-time bidding?

Mostly, I would try to target your initial audience as precisely as possible where they live, rather than with a wide net. Perhaps a Google search returns results for top websites dealing with your product - if they are not vendors, then perhaps you advertise on that site?

Disclaimer: I'm not a growth hacker, but I've thought about these things and run a couple of poor Facebook campaigns for a brick and mortar business.

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