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Apple Reports Declining Profits and Slowing Growth Again

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Re: Apple Reports Declining Profits and Slowing Growth Again

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Post by scirocco »

mort96 wrote: post #294
ajross wrote: post #262

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That's a bit spun too, though. Revenue is up just .93%. Net income is down 12.7%. And they beat the estimates because the estimates were expecting bad news, as the overall trend has been stagnant for about two years. Those just aren't good numbers for a company that, over the past decade, has been literally the most profitable in history. They aren't "bad" numbers, but for Apple they're sort of a disaster. The iPhone…

When are we going to stop expecting exponential growth though? Or should the exponential growth just continue indefinitely? Is there no value in having a nice S-curve, ending up as one of the most profitable companies in history, and then just staying insanely profitable for a long time in a sustainable way?

That's life on the stock market. Owners want a return, dividends or increase in share price. Go private and you can do just as you say

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Post by Retric »

scarface74 wrote: post #322
Retric wrote: post #319

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Smartphones also largely killed off the watch industry but they where happy to jump into that market. It’s just a question of positive ROI not the ultra long term.

Yes and the Apple Watch is a wearable computer that does a lot more than just tell time. What do you propose they bring to the standalone console, TV, or camera market that will make a declining market make money?

The Apple Watch was a fairly direct copy of other products. Presumably, they could use some of that R&D money to actually innovate.

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Post by ses1984 »

baddox wrote: post #300
computerex wrote: post #178

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That's not the point. You shouldn't have to map caps lock to escape.

There will always be other potential physical keys that aren't on your laptop keyboard. You could just as easily say that you shouldn't have to use modifier keys to trigger Page Down on a Macbook Pro keyboard. Where's my Print Screen SysRq key?

Ok so why isn't the 2012 mbp hated because it doesn't have that key?

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Post by ses1984 »

thaumasiotes wrote: post #273
ses1984 wrote: post #258

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Ok then it you have caps remapped to ctrl, remap ctrl to escape. There are many valid criticisms of the touch bar macs, losing one key in particular is pretty low on the list.

> i[f] you have caps remapped to ctrl, remap ctrl to escape The whole reason to remap caps lock to ctrl is that ctrl is in a terrible location.

Escape is in a relatively terrible location as well, the default ctrl location is just as bad, hence remapping escape there isn't really worse than escape in the top left.

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Post by thrower123 »

trilila wrote: post #450
marticode wrote: post #435

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The EU is already investigating Apple management of the App Store. Regulation is coming and one has to wonder much walled and profitable the garden will stay.

The EU is investigating an awful lot of US companies.

The EU would need to demonstrate that it's teeth are sharp and big enough to actually break the skin on those companies.

Most likely result is Apple/Google/Amazon/Facebook buy them off for some trivial (for them anyway) amount of money.

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Post by trilila »

thrower123 wrote: post #455
trilila wrote: post #450

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The EU is investigating an awful lot of US companies.

The EU would need to demonstrate that it's teeth are sharp and big enough to actually break the skin on those companies. Most likely result is Apple/Google/Amazon/Facebook buy them off for some trivial (for them anyway) amount of money.

Just like German car makers bought the EU, in exchange for protectionist measures and to get away with emissions that have destroyed a continent's climate? How come the EU is not looking more inwards, or into Chinese company practices, but instead it focuses on American tech giants? Politics perhaps?

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Post by Lio »

arvinsim wrote: post #403
Lio wrote: post #395

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Design UI well enough? I guess it depends on what you are used to. For me, Google will always be the company that high-jacked scrolling to use for zoom. That still trips me up every time I have to use Google Maps or any other mapping service that copied them on a laptop with a trackpad. They could keep that default (misguided as I personally think it is) if they just provided an option to let scroll be scroll but the…

> For me, Google will always be the company that high-jacked scrolling to use for zoom. That still trips me up every time I have to use Google Maps or any other mapping service that copied them on a laptop with a trackpad. So you use that for vertical scrolling. How would you do horizontal scrolling on a typical mouse then? The default of holding left click and dragging the map across to move the viewport is far more…

I don't have an opinion on how this should be done on a "typical mouse", I haven't used a "typical mouse" for about 15 years.

Unless you have some supporting evidence that clicking and dragging is more intuitive I would suggest that it's not and that you're just used to doing it because you use a mouse and not a trackpad.

Two finger scrolling is used everywhere else on laptops. It handles horizontal scrolling perfectly.

It shouldn't be hijacked by Google for zoom without even the option to restore the default behaviour.

If Google were "good" at UI they would offer the option of pinch zoom on laptops and just leave scrolling alone.

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Post by marticode »

thrower123 wrote: post #455
trilila wrote: post #450

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The EU is investigating an awful lot of US companies.

The EU would need to demonstrate that it's teeth are sharp and big enough to actually break the skin on those companies. Most likely result is Apple/Google/Amazon/Facebook buy them off for some trivial (for them anyway) amount of money.

Apple has had a 13 billion Euro tax bill out of it. Google is adding browser and search selection in Android in a pro-active move. I would say this is certainly a show of teeth.

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Post by computerex »

ses1984 wrote: post #453
baddox wrote: post #300

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There will always be other potential physical keys that aren't on your laptop keyboard. You could just as easily say that you shouldn't have to use modifier keys to trigger Page Down on a Macbook Pro keyboard. Where's my Print Screen SysRq key?

Ok so why isn't the 2012 mbp hated because it doesn't have that key?

2012 MBP has the escape key.

Re: Apple Reports Declining Profits and Slowing Growth Again

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Post by skrowl »

tryptophan wrote: post #244
DLA wrote: post #233

NY Times made a mess of this story and slanted it toward their agendas. Horrible reporting. Apple beat most estimates. Revenues grew. All time high revenue from services. Forward guidance was raised. https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2019/07/apple-reports-third-q...

>slanted it toward their agendas. They do this a lot. It is (rightfully) pointed out any time a right leaning website story is posted, with the whole "Note this is from X publication, and they are right leaning, so take that into consideration" comment. For some reason NYT seems immune to this criticism though.

Are you implying that the New York Times is right-leaning? Certainly you're not implying that are you?
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