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Breaches was probably the wrong term to use in my example, as it brings attention to the wrong issue. The point I am trying to make is not that we shouldn't trust large companies to be secure as you say (although based on my experience with enterprise infosec I wouldn't be surprised if a majority of companies handling/storing personal data don't have appropriate security controls enforced). The point I am making is t…
I find it funny that I often get defensive questions from Google and Facebook engineers about their technologies/organizations when I post initial pro-privacy comments on HN, but after being called out and explaining in more detail I never get a response. I guess there's no point for them to argue it further as they're aware of the negative impact, but have made a conscious decision to choose money over morals
In other words, they seemingly care about whether the technical argument has merits. Once it's clear that there's no technical substance and it moves on to your personal crusade against modern companies, people lose interest.
Disclaimer: I don't work anywhere near the companies in question
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> For example, what’s to stop me from saying “Hey Google, I am Even more fun, if you call a bank, you often have to key-in your account number (which can be easily decoded if your phone sounds back the tones, which most do), then tell you name, your address and sometimes your other PII like Social Security number or part of it. Record that call and that's a complete identity theft package, nicely wrapped, just replay…
I'm not sure Google devices can make calls, but if they could, the only part that would be sent to Google (which is what these people would have to analyze) is "hey Google, call bank"
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Not only you, but your kids. People have lost sponsorships and contracts because of things one of their parents said before the person in question was even born . Look at last year's incident where Eli Lilly pulled their NASCAR sponsorship of Conor Daly over something his father had said a decade before Conor existed. https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/motor/2018/08/24/eli-l...
That's nuts. Things like this should cost company its reputation.
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I find it funny that I often get defensive questions from Google and Facebook engineers about their technologies/organizations when I post initial pro-privacy comments on HN, but after being called out and explaining in more detail I never get a response. I guess there's no point for them to argue it further as they're aware of the negative impact, but have made a conscious decision to choose money over morals
You said they have constant breaches, then immediately recanted when asked for details. Your argument which got no reply was an idealogical argument which appears to be constructed to shut down debate (they shouldn't be trusted because you don't like them) as opposed to lead to a meaningful discussion. You even threw out the casual line about them not having poor security and breaches, invalidating your argument in t…
I think the responses to this can be broken down into a 2x2 matrix: level of concern vs. understanding of technology. 1) Don't understand ML; not concerned - "I have nothing to hide." 2) Don't understand ML; concerned - "I bought this device and now people are spying on me!" 3) Understand ML; not concerned - "Of course, Google needs to label its training data." 4) Understand ML; concerned - "How can we train models/c…
So my thoughts are like #4, but with the undertone of "who am I kidding, of course they don't care, what can I do?".
This is perhaps the most dangerous response.