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Re: Thinkpad X210

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Currently in charge of th baby. But get power top installed. Make sure in the 4th screen in power top and make sure all settings are to "good". I made a systemd unit to do this for me know boot. I also installed tlp and have it set it's settings. Some of those cross over into what powertop does. I set some things on the i915 driver but that will have to wait until baby watch is over.

I have just installed powertop and updated the settings. It doesn't seem to have made any difference... but that's probably because I don't know what I am doing. I'll read up on it further. Thanks for the tip.

powertop --auto-tune

Does it for me.

Re: Thinkpad X210

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My 2011 X220 refuses to die. It's been tossed in bags, scuffed, cracked, and burned with a candle. The keyboard is perfect. Touchpad is fine. Wifi is excellent. Upgradeability unmatched. I'm running Linux with a tiling window manager, and performance is fine for pretty much everything I want to do, including compilation. It runs super hot (80C+ sometimes), but is always way quieter than my XPS15 from work. Only complaint is the low resolution of the screen (1366x768). 1080p would be perfect for the 12.5in screen.

Re: Thinkpad X210

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>> One: shout out your favorite YouTubist, I guess, but a repair Apple makes is a repair Apple has to support. Saying he is my favorite Youtuber is a bit condescending. I mentioned him, because he is a loud proponent of the right to repair movement. >> These repairs are much more likely to fail under both normal and unconventional use and then will come back for more repairs--which are themselves, still, expensive to…

> If that was true, I am sure Apple would choose to repair parts instead of replacing them. ;) Of course it's true--everything from "that fan's just going to get dirty again, and faster, because it's been blown out but can't be re-sealed outside a factory" to "that solder joint is being done by somebody making fourteen bucks an hour, boy I hope I'm not relying on that long-term". Why would a company that makes its mo…

>> Why would a company that makes its money off of selling the closest thing to a unified end-to-end experience take the risk of a dissatisfied customer because of a frustrating defect remediation experience?

You make it sound like Apple has never done it before.

Case in point: the overheating early 2011 Macbook Pros - a problem experienced by thousands of customers.

Apple basically pretended the problem didn't exist for well over a year (there was a gigantic thread about the issue in the Apple support forums). By the time they did issue their recall (or "repair order", if you want to use Apple's euphemism), a lot of people had already divested their dead Macbook Pros for a loss.

Mine had bricked just after my AppleCare expired, and I wasn't about to spend $500+ to get a replacement logic board (which basically had the same defect, except it was a brand new board. Source: I had replaced my logic board under AppleCare only to have the problem recur within two months). I was lucky that I didn't dispose of my Macbook Pro before the repair order, but I had bought a replacement laptop by the time it was issued (spoiler alert: it was my first non-Apple laptop purchase in a decade).

They also put up barriers to getting the repair order. You had to prove you had the heat issue and that it was causing crashes. Since mine was bricked, it was easy. But a friend of mine (who had two of the affected models) had to jump through hoops at the Apple Store to get his fixed.

Those early 2011 Macbook Pros were mostly high end 15" i7 models, meaning they were not on the lower end of Apple's Macbook Pro line. People paid good money for them. If Apple didn't have their heads in the sand and gave everyone replacements (i.e., a 2012 model, which didn't have heat issues) as the problem occurred, it would have been a rounding error for them. But they didn't do that.

>> fundamental misunderstanding of how Apple views its customers and how Apple makes its money.

Speaking from my one experience - I didn't feel like Apple was interested in my experience at all. While I never considered myself a fanboy, I was very loyal to Apple and totally invested in the ecosystem. After my experience with the 2011 Macbook debacle, I abandoned them completely. It meant writing off a lot of money spent on Mac software, mobile apps, etc.

Re: Thinkpad X210

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> The fan only turns on if I’m doing something intensive like compiling go or scrolling in Slack. The next time somebody asks why everybody has a problem with Electron, I'm referring them to this page.

Electron is far from ideal, and it may be argued it's incredibly difficult to make a relatively efficient Electron app (vscode is often cited as one, but Microsoft has plenty of resources). However, for all the efficiency challenges Electron brings, Slack is universally cited in types of comments such as the above. This makes me highly suspect that—beyond being just written in Electron—Slack is actually an extremely…

I think the disproportionate noise about Slack is just due to it being (often without choice) used by so many people, and hence to cite that people only complain about Slack as evidence that Slack is worse than other Electron apps isn't very convincing.

Re: Thinkpad X210

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My 2011 X220 refuses to die. It's been tossed in bags, scuffed, cracked, and burned with a candle. The keyboard is perfect. Touchpad is fine. Wifi is excellent. Upgradeability unmatched. I'm running Linux with a tiling window manager, and performance is fine for pretty much everything I want to do, including compilation. It runs super hot (80C+ sometimes), but is always way quieter than my XPS15 from work. Only compl…

"burned with a candle" - nobody upvoted you for any reason other than wanting to know how this happened. Do tell, OP!

Re: Thinkpad X210

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What OS are you running? I'm really curious on your setup if you're running Linux. I have the same Thinkpad but it's impossible for me to the the idle wattage like that.

Ubuntu 18.04: https://geoff.greer.fm/images/x210.jpg

That’s what I’m using, not mbrumlow. Also I just upgraded to 18.10 to get a newer kernel and a newer version of the r8169 module. That unlocked PC7 idle states and increased my battery life by 50%.

Re: Thinkpad X210

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I get about 9 hours of battery life on my T450s and about 6 on my x220 under load, youtube, vms, coding. That is under load. My idle times, browsing something like HN, or sitting in #emacs I get near 20 hours on my t450s and about 13 on my x220. I think low low low idle power consumption is key to long infrequent charges. This is because the second you are not using your computer then it should also not be using powe…

I have horrible battery life on my T520, mainly because the battery is really old. I wish to purchase a new battery for it and am looking for a place to buy a battery that 1. will ship to Norway without too high shipping cost, and 2. isn’t going to explode in my face. Any suggestions? Also, mbrumlow, what distro are you running? And did you customize it in anyway aside from using powertop that you mentioned, to get i…

Track down an OEM Lenovo battery from whatever source you can find. Unfortunately, the aftermarket batteries I've tried all died rapidly, due to cells dying or going out of balance or whatever. Never had an aftermarket last longer than 6 months before it was down to a half hour or something pitiful. Finally sucked it up and bought an OEM battery and two years later it's still giving a couple hours of runtime.

Re: Thinkpad X210

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> The fan only turns on if I’m doing something intensive like compiling go or scrolling in Slack. The next time somebody asks why everybody has a problem with Electron, I'm referring them to this page.

It’s a joke. That doesn’t actually happen.

Re: Thinkpad X210

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> Battery life is a little over 4 hours with the flush battery (55Wh) and 6-7 hours with the extended battery (80Wh). Not going to lie, that’s pretty horrible. > Battery life would increase by 50% if I got PC6 or PC8 idle states. The fan only turns on if I’m doing something intensive like compiling go or scrolling in Slack. lol. One of the things that really drives me nuts is my computer’s fan turning on when I know…

> > Battery life is a little over 4 hours with the flush battery (55Wh) and 6-7 hours with the extended battery (80Wh).

> Not going to lie, that’s pretty horrible.

On the next line he says that with a newish kernel he can get 6 hours with the flush battery. That is not bad at all.

> Update (2017-03-17): I managed to get PC7 idle by upgrading my kernel to 4.18 and replacing the r8168 module with r8169. Battery life has increased significantly. I now get 6 hours with the flush battery and 10 hours with the extended battery.

Re: Thinkpad X210

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Can someone help me understand why Americans still buy Lenovo computers after Superfish and Lenovo Service Engine? Why isn't Lenovo as much of a security risk as Huawei?

Only a partial explanation, but Superfish was not installed on the business-grade laptops, i.e., the T, P, and X-series, and those are really the only ones that the HN crowd would use. LSE was definitely a major mistake though they at least relented and offered a removal tool for it.

Huawei has been the target of a pretty unprecedented effort by the US to eliminate their hardware from both US and US-allied countries. I doubt many of us have the knowledge of the necessary facts to evaluate the appropriateness of that action against Huawai, but either way, Lenovo hasn't been singled out like that.

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