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Re: Google .dev domain early access

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Post by mobiuscog »

CydeWeys wrote: post #254
willmadden wrote: post #195

Alphabet has too much cash. They have a well established track record of enthusiastically backing exciting new projects way outside of their core competency just to dump them like hot garbage several years later. They also compete in random new industries each time this happens. It doesn't seem like a smart move to lease a domain from a politically active mega-monopoly that might decide to randomly become your compet…

Hi. I'm the Tech Lead of Google Registry, the team that is launching .dev (not to be confused with the linked Google Domains, which is one of many registrars selling .dev domains to end users). You'll be glad to know that TLDs can't simply be discontinued like other products might be. ICANN doesn't allow it. The procedures in place preventing a live TLD from shutting down are called EBERO; more details here: https://…

Yet here I am about to lose my .eu domain, because of Brexit. I'm paid up for 10 years, but the EU can just change the rules, and I lose my domain.

Re: Google .dev domain early access

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Post by notyourwork »

kabacha wrote: post #426
notyourwork wrote: post #236

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Yes because not everyone understands x.y.z and y.x are not owned by same person.

Should we design standards for the dumbest of the lot lol? Not everyone understand that TLD is then maybe they should be educated rather than appeased to. Also it seems to be primarily USA's issue. Every other nation uses their domain for internal websites (like cats.de) where's Americans tend to just clump everything in `.com` and act all confused by simple TLD scheme.

I don't think a person qualifies as "dumbest" because they do not know what a TLD is. Not everyone has to understand everything else in the world to be a human and use it. Not everyone knows how to be a mechanic but lots drive vehicles and fly in planes.

The issue with your generalization of America is flawed. The internet started in America so "we" clumped everything into .com because we could. TLDs for countries came as a way to organize and route better. A German requesting amazon.com, should goto amazon.de. (This all happened before amazon and CDNs and other things.)

It is ignorant to think a fundamental concept of domain resolution, TLDs is something everyone should understand to use the internet. Do you know how your cell provider takes a request to dial a number and resolve it to another person across towers and potentially hard wired cabling? Most don't and they all make calls.

Re: Google .dev domain early access

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Post by jlarocco »

xvector wrote: post #411
jlarocco wrote: post #384

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They should quote that on the GMail sign up page.

I am frustrated by Google’s lack of support as anyone else, but it is completely unreasonable to expect support for a free product, regardless of how they might otherwise profit off you.

I'm not frustrated because I don't rely any Google services.

I was serious, though. People would be less frustrated if they had that helpful reminder on sign up.

Obfuscating that GMail isn't a real product is just another one of their sleazy business tactics, I guess.

Re: Google .dev domain early access

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Post by jonathankoren »

r3bl wrote: post #310
jonathankoren wrote: post #252

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Compare and contrast whitehouse.gov and whitehouse.com

A company owning whitehouse.com and a government entity owning whitehouse.gov? I'd call that working as intended.

And the original discussion was someone claiming that having different TLDs were superior to subdomains for maintaining identify.

Re: Google .dev domain early access

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Post by glennpratt »

benatkin wrote: post #422
glennpratt wrote: post #229

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Ok, but you are wrong, just like the folks who insist on using clever DoD IP addresses instead of RFC 1918.

At least you aren't directly accusing me of failing to RTFM! I've been vaguely aware of what's in that RFC, but I don't think reserving those TLDs for local stuff means that other TLDs are off limits. I certainly don't use example.com for all example emails. Developer happiness comes first. I got burned by going with domains outside that doc, but I think the blame goes on Google, not on those who decided to use .dev…

I'm a developer too, I always use example.com because accidentally triggering bogus outbound mail from corporate IP addresses can make a mess for Operations.

And Google gets baseless accusations because you feel entitled to something. Enjoy the feeling, you're entitled to it.

Re: Google .dev domain early access

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Post by reaperducer »

Spivak wrote: post #449
Aeolun wrote: post #401

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No admin privileges to manipulate the certificate store is one.

You shouldn't need admin to add a CA to the Windows User Trusted Root Store. https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/desktop/seccrypto/s...

I do development. I do not use Windows.

Re: Google .dev domain early access

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Post by sascha_sl »

CydeWeys wrote: post #268
sascha_sl wrote: post #56

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That application is bullshit. Everything in Google's network already uses their pseudo-"goto" TLD. I don't think they use any domains beyond the few used for the registry page either.

It's not a TLD, it's either a single-label hostname or a fully-qualified subdomain (both will resolve internally, the former obviously won't resolve externally but the latter will, you'll just get an auth error).

Since you're apparently the head of Google Registry, can you tell me how many .dev domains have been registered for (internal) use at Google?

Re: Google .dev domain early access

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Post by CydeWeys »

sascha_sl wrote: post #457
CydeWeys wrote: post #268

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It's not a TLD, it's either a single-label hostname or a fully-qualified subdomain (both will resolve internally, the former obviously won't resolve externally but the latter will, you'll just get an auth error).

Since you're apparently the head of Google Registry, can you tell me how many .dev domains have been registered for (internal) use at Google?

We're not in general availability yet, so not many. We're restricted in how many domains we can self-allocate prior to it being launched.

Re: Google .dev domain early access

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Post by sundvor »

deadmutex wrote: post #352
sundvor wrote: post #349

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Probably none, going by the track record.

It really depends on the product. E.g. if you buy Google Wifi, you can call them or chat with customer support, etc. If you need help with constructing a web search query, not so much. So, please do not over generalize or compare apples to oranges.

Sorry, but I reserve the right to be cynic. I belong to the old group of people who got to know Google as "do no evil" company, who tossed that to the wind as soon at it suited them better.

Re: Google .dev domain early access

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Post by sascha_sl »

CydeWeys wrote: post #256
bhartzer wrote: post #151

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I’m, that’s an icann rule for launching new tlds. The early access period is always higher, then there are several other periods that happen before a tld gets to General availability. This pricing structure is not just for .dev domains.

FYI, there is no ICANN requirement that any sort of auction be involved in launching a new TLD. We used to use a standard auction (called the landrush phase in TLD parlance), but have since switched over to a descending price Dutch auction because it's significantly less operational burden for us. It's generally a good idea to have some kind of auction for the reasons the parent comment mentions, as it is a more econ…

I think you forgot to suffix that speech with "you peasant."
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