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Re: U.S. Changes Visa Process for High-Skilled Workers

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Post by ataturk » Thu, Jan 31, 2019, 1:30 PM UTC

Daishiman wrote: post #152

mc32 wrote: post #91

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Not false. How is ~164 out of 194 countries jus sanguinis not most? There are approx 30 of 194 that are jus soli. How is that “false”. And except for Argentina, Brazil, Canada, Chili and Uruguay, the rest aren’t what one would think of as “sought after”, otherwise you’d have other people trying to take advantage of their citizenship policies.

An entire continent, of the youngest countries consisting of liberal democracies being jus soli isn't something you can just wave away and pretend is irrelevant or has some particularly unusual behavior. Said countries have even laxes immigration policies, similar proportions of immigrant populations, the same anti-immigrant rhetoric that you're spouting, and yet it's just not really the problem that it's made out to…

It's just funny how every single open policy that US has that supports real freedom is either being gamed or swept away now. We're done.

Re: U.S. Changes Visa Process for High-Skilled Workers

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Post by JoelTheSuperior » Thu, Jan 31, 2019, 1:35 PM UTC

htfy96 wrote: post #296

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I take you haven’t been to Japan, South Africa, Korea or China. We’re not tough by a long shot.

To be fair, it is not tough at all for a "high-skilled" foreigner to work at China by getting a Z-visa - I guess most employees at Bay Area fall into this category.

Indeed - they're pretty lax as countries go and there's other ways as well. Only downside is it's virtually impossible for a foreign citizen to get permanent residency for China, so you'll be renewing that visa every two years for the rest of your life.

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Post by crispyambulance » Thu, Jan 31, 2019, 1:37 PM UTC

wyclif wrote: post #380

tossaccount123 wrote: post #147

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>To prime your intuition a bit, consider how woman and minorities more than doubled the work force from the 1960s to 1990s with no loss in jobs or lowering of wages. You do realize there hasn't been a raise in real wages since the 70s when you account for inflation right? Coincidentally during that same time period the income gap exploded because the wealthy had plentiful cheap labor and were able to pocket the produ…

Now you have households with both working and they can't afford to have kids This strikes me as ridiculous as a broad-brush, general statement. It's not that Americans can't afford to have kids, it's that they incentivize different things than they did in the past. I don't deny that real wages haven't risen because of the supply of workers and dual-income families, but c'mon. There's been an increase in professional…

    > these DINKs refuse to sacrifice anything materially
    > to have children. They have lots of adult toys and
    > other conveniences, but somehow can't find the
    > money to raise a child.

Well, some DINK's don't want children. Not everyone has to reproduce. There's many different factors involved here than material comfort.

Also, in many American cities, public school is totally out of the question (if you actually care about having well-educated children). Families either have to send their kids to elite private schools at ~20K/per year OR they have to move to somewhere on the periphery of the city where schools are good but you have other trade-offs in time or money. These aren't selfish materialistic concerns they're real obstacles that cause people to defer having children.

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Post by seshagiric » Thu, Jan 31, 2019, 1:38 PM UTC

It's actually a good move:

a. Trump can now say he 'fixed' the h1-b system :)

b. Due to all the visa restrictions talks, US universities were seeing drop in foreign MS students, that will likely get fixed.

Re: U.S. Changes Visa Process for High-Skilled Workers

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Post by mc32 » Thu, Jan 31, 2019, 1:39 PM UTC

Qworg wrote: post #315

rhexs wrote: post #302

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Pay more, else go out of business. Why do I, the American taxpayer, need to subsidize already heavily subsidized farmers?

How are you subsidizing them? You're getting cheap food - truck crop farming is notoriously low margin. Are you prepared for $15/pint strawberries?

Strawberry pints from farms which do not utilize unregulated workers come in typically at about $6 to $7 pint. They’re typically smaller scale, so large scale can have them at retail for around $5. If that helps all of us, the farmer the temporary worker and consumers, I don’t see a problem with it. Strawberries and such aren’t staples like wheat and rice (highly mechanized and automated).

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Post by CalRobert » Thu, Jan 31, 2019, 1:41 PM UTC

ianai wrote: post #446

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I think this is one of the unintended consequences of strong welfare states. If your government spends $xx,xxx per resident per year then someone who arrives and doesn't contribute at least $xx,xxx is a net drain on resources. At the VERY least, you need to ensure your population produces at least $xx,xxx per year in gov't revenue. While I am strongly in support of things like free healthcare, education, etc. I can a…

And you’re wrong. Population growth creates market growth. The humans that literally cannot contribute to the output directly create the broadest and often deepest demands. Babies need all sorts of things their parents wouldn’t otherwise purchase. Immigrants aren’t babies, necessarily, but they do increase market size. This is perhaps a very strong argument for UBI: empowering people with enough for the basics will e…

if I run an ice cream collective, where 10 people make ice cream and share the results amongst themselves in a Universal Basic Ice cream scheme, but ice cream making is hard because the tubs are 30kg and hard to carry, I'm going to have a disincentive from letting frail people in to my collective since it will mean less ice cream for the rest of us. I will, however, be OK letting in strong people, or young people with promise, because I want to keep getting ice cream when I'm old.

How is a bigger market less output per capita better?

Say your countryA has 100 people each capable of producing $100 worth of stuff in a day. You introduce a UBI of $50. People have $50 left over

The neighboring countryB has a lot of uneducated people (good folks! Just as smart. Just had less opportunity to learn) who move to your own.

If five of countryB's people move to countryA they can go to school and draw on public resources and become skilled and make a future net positive contribution without too much drain on countryA in the present. You've got 20 countryA folks for every one countryB person. A few % cut in UBI or few % raise in taxes won't hurt

If fifty of them do it it becomes a much larger burden on the present - now there are only two countryA'ers to support countryB'ers. The support systems that everyone relies on will be stretched pretty thin.

I'm very much in favour of migration and am, in fact, an immigrant (left the US). But the more a government spends on its people the more it demands back from them, in the aggregate.

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Post by dragonwriter » Thu, Jan 31, 2019, 1:42 PM UTC

mc32 wrote: post #455

Qworg wrote: post #315

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How are you subsidizing them? You're getting cheap food - truck crop farming is notoriously low margin. Are you prepared for $15/pint strawberries?

Strawberry pints from farms which do not utilize unregulated workers come in typically at about $6 to $7 pint. They’re typically smaller scale, so large scale can have them at retail for around $5. If that helps all of us, the farmer the temporary worker and consumers, I don’t see a problem with it. Strawberries and such aren’t staples like wheat and rice (highly mechanized and automated).

> Strawberry pints from farms which do not utilize unregulated workers

There is no such thing as “unregulated workers”, just employers that don't obey the regulations applicable to their workers.

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Post by dragonwriter » Thu, Jan 31, 2019, 1:44 PM UTC

rswail wrote: post #353

Qworg wrote: post #315

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How are you subsidizing them? You're getting cheap food - truck crop farming is notoriously low margin. Are you prepared for $15/pint strawberries?

As an Australian, this is funny. Your Dept of Agriculture is one of the most socialist "redistributors of wealth" in the world. Annual subsidies to US farmers is of the order of $25B+ per year. This includes non-tariff barriers such as price supports for sugar, import barriers and quotas such as on lamb and beef, export supports, crop insurance and other benefits. The DoA has been doing this for 75+ years and the maj…

> Your Dept of Agriculture is one of the most socialist "redistributors of wealth" in the world.

Redistribution from the many to the wealthy few isn't socialist redistribution.

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Post by adrianN » Thu, Jan 31, 2019, 1:46 PM UTC

dsfyu404ed wrote: post #420

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> They have lots of adult toys and other conveniences, but somehow can't find the money to raise a child. I'm German and affected by this. It begins with being unable to rent an apartment with enough space for a kid and ends with "how to afford a car in this city".

But Europe has good public transit everywhere. Surely you can take rail + bus + walk to get anywhere you want to go even with kids. Dragging toddler around on public transit is a massive PITA. One is doable but two is hell.

The quality of public transit varies between cities. My parents for example raised two children without having a car.

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Post by growlist » Thu, Jan 31, 2019, 1:50 PM UTC

wyclif wrote: post #380

tossaccount123 wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>To prime your intuition a bit, consider how woman and minorities more than doubled the work force from the 1960s to 1990s with no loss in jobs or lowering of wages. You do realize there hasn't been a raise in real wages since the 70s when you account for inflation right? Coincidentally during that same time period the income gap exploded because the wealthy had plentiful cheap labor and were able to pocket the produ…

Now you have households with both working and they can't afford to have kids This strikes me as ridiculous as a broad-brush, general statement. It's not that Americans can't afford to have kids, it's that they incentivize different things than they did in the past. I don't deny that real wages haven't risen because of the supply of workers and dual-income families, but c'mon. There's been an increase in professional…

> refuse to sacrifice anything materially to have children

There are also those that have the best motives for not having children - namely that the country is getting worse, and why inflict a negative future on them? Environmental destruction, overcrowding, pollution, insane property prices, worsening opportunities to get on in life, rampant crime and drugs with disinterested policing and lax punishment apart from against those that are legitimately defending their rights (who are punished harshly), general undermining of traditional values, etc..

Oh but of course I'm just a bigoted dinosaur for holding these thoughts.