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Re: DuckDuckGo will use Apple Maps

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Post by sbuk »

Mindwipe wrote: post #432
aphextron wrote: post #115

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>I wish they were explaining why they moved away from Mapbox and OSM in general! Because it sucks. Isn’t that obvious? There’s no point in having a feature that nobody uses. I switched to DDG a few months ago and this has always been the one weakness. This is really good news IMO. Apple maps has come a long long way since launch, and their data is about on par with Google at this point. You can argue all day that of…

> Apple maps has come a long long way since launch, and their data is about on par with Google at this point. In California maybe. Everywhere else? Not even close.

In my experience, Apple maps are on a par with Google Maps in London. Google never get my address location right, despite numerous reports to them. Apple does.

Re: DuckDuckGo will use Apple Maps

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Post by simonh »

licebmi__at__ wrote: post #449
simonh wrote: post #414

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According to that logic any Western tourist that visits Beijing and goes to Tiananmen Square, as I have, and doesn't wave about pro-democracy banners is 'making a conscious decision to endorse' Chinese censorship laws. So apparently I'm now a Communist shill? Or are you saying that no foreign companies anywhere should do any business at all in China and no tourists should go there because doing so and obeying the law…

1 corporations are not people. Analogies should only be made when there's an actual similarity point. 2 if you're making that point, there's still a difference between action and omission. Nobody would held you accountable if you don't actively try to topple a murderous regime, but if somehow it's laws require to participate in the stoning of a person, well, maybe you should grab a ticket to home instead of a stone,…

Companies are made up of people, and the people are liable for any laws they violate while conducting the business of the company. Furthermore if companies aren't persons, do they therefore not have any of the obligations or responsibilities of a person, to obey the law, to answer to the courts, to be held to contracts or be the subject of law suits? The argument against corporate personhood is, frankly, utterly incoherent. Clearly they are entities which can have rights and obligations, many of which are similar to and derive from those of the people of which they are composed.

What Apple is doing is more like visiting a country and being told you either have to participate in stoning someone or pay a fine, and they are paying the fine. That's why they won't operate iCloud services in China, which will instead be run by a Chinese company which Apple will have to pay for the service.

Re: DuckDuckGo will use Apple Maps

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Post by matt4077 »

latexr wrote: post #255

So DDG will now use Apple’s data to find places? Please don’t. It should be the other way around. Not even a month ago I made a search for a famous place in Lisbon (you know, big metropolitan area, capital of Portugal, 11th-most populous urban area in the European Union) and Apple Maps didn’t even know it existed. Made the search in DDG and it found it, from where I had to copy the address and manually search for it…

Is there a reason for keeping the specific place secret?

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Post by kingofhdds »

simonh wrote: post #414
speedplane wrote: post #412

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> Apple obeys the laws of the countries is operates in. Are you suggesting they should not? They can always choose not to operate in those countries. But they do, and accordingly making a conscious decision to endorse those laws in the name of profit.

According to that logic any Western tourist that visits Beijing and goes to Tiananmen Square, as I have, and doesn't wave about pro-democracy banners is 'making a conscious decision to endorse' Chinese censorship laws. So apparently I'm now a Communist shill? Or are you saying that no foreign companies anywhere should do any business at all in China and no tourists should go there because doing so and obeying the law…

Proper analogy is Western tourist coming to China, and filing reports about dissenting Chinese citizens. It's not about waving banners.

Re: DuckDuckGo will use Apple Maps

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Post by rusk »

kaoD wrote: post #443
rusk wrote: post #442

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I remember there was a time when googling was so intelligent it seemed like it was going to become self aware! Dunno what happened along the way but the last few years it’s like a giantfairly sophisticated grep coupled with a bunch of sponsored links.

SEO happened.

All that tells me is that the problem space evolved and Google didn’t keep ahead of it. Same as what happened to Yahoo(!) before them ... my point was that Google was a very intelligent platform and now less so. Perhaps they just decided they could coast on the SEO ...

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Post by jolux »

uabstraction wrote: post #340
latexr wrote: post #249

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> Sure duckduckgo is a good company right now, but that's only because they're small. Only because they are small? That seems to imply that if they ever get big, they’ll no doubt become evil, privacy-wise. Apple proves that does not have to be the case.

Oh please! Apple may not represent the same privacy clusterfuck that Google does, but that doesn't make them good. They still are absolutely abhorrent with regards to vendor lock-in and planned obsolescence.

I always hear so much about lock-in with Apple and using their platforms extensively alongside other ones I’m curious as to what examples people are actually thinking of.

Re: DuckDuckGo will use Apple Maps

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Post by wjoe »

aembleton wrote: post #204

To zoom in using my mouse wheel, I have to hold down shift, and then it zooms in the opposite direction to how it works in Google Maps (Firefox 64.0 on Ubuntu). The behaviour works fine for the MapBox maps.

Same experience with the zooming. Thanks for the tip on holding shift, but it's realllly slow too.

I also can't drag the map around or click on any items on the map. Really inferior experience so far.

Did you find a way to switch back to the Mapbox maps?

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Post by _mdlf »

latexr wrote: post #249
Aunche wrote: post #203

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I'm a bit uncomfortable with how much DDG's marketing is focused on trashing their competition. They deliberately obfuscate privacy issues to strengthen their narrative. Sure duckduckgo is a good company right now, but that's only because they're small. I doubt they'll stay that way when they capture a significant market share.

> Sure duckduckgo is a good company right now, but that's only because they're small. Only because they are small? That seems to imply that if they ever get big, they’ll no doubt become evil, privacy-wise. Apple proves that does not have to be the case.

>Apple proves that does not have to be the case.

Apple was part of the PRISM program.

Apple is a hardware company from the start, their strategy has been fixed long before other Internet companies figured the value of customer data.

Their narrative of being privacy enforcer aids their strategy of building closed systems.

I'm not telling Apple is deceiving its customers with the privacy narrative, but it isn't a guardian of privacy either; if it was it wouldn't have entered CHINA like other comments have pointed out.

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Post by neallindsay »

aurea wrote: post #419
sjg007 wrote: post #361

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Apple needs it's own search engine. This is step 1.

What if they just bought DDG?

Then Apple would have to give up the truckloads of money they get from Google for making them the default search engine on Safari.

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Post by vladTheInhaler »

usrusr wrote: post #434
Lucadg wrote: post #380

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Maybe we should start thinking about growth. All kind of bad decisions are taken in the name of growth. Maybe some companies could just provide a service, be profitable and grow just to a natural size not focusing on growth itself. That would require a new way of thinking the role of companies in human society.

This is incompatible with dominant funding models: private VC funding requires that the non-failures get exploited enough to make up for the failures. Publicly traded shares make it impossible to prevent shareholders who think that the company could grow to 10x from buying out those who think that it can or should only grow to x. Employee-owned coops will see their de-facto ruling bureaucrats seek to rule a bigger or…

Then perhaps we as a society need to engineer more diseconomies of scale.
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