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Notion – All-in-one workspace for notes, tasks, wikis, and databases

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Re: Notion – All-in-one workspace for notes, tasks, wikis, and databases

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Post by rkangel »

sorenbs wrote: post #292
ivanzhao wrote: post #284

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Notion's founder here. Thank you for the kind words - we are honored :-) To be honest, nothing we are doing is that new. Most of the ideas came from the 70s-80s (Alan Kay, Doug Engelbart, Ted Nelson...) We are just applying a fresh coat of paint. Of course, there's still a lot more to be done to fully realize these pioneers' dreams of computing as a medium for everyone – not just programmers like us. If you are inter…

We love notion and pay you all a lot of money. Please please fix the search

What do you find wrong with the search? It's pretty good for me, except one day where the indexing must have screwed up and it was ignoring the thing I knew was there.

Re: Notion – All-in-one workspace for notes, tasks, wikis, and databases

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Post by rkangel »

thirdsun wrote: post #376
ivanzhao wrote: post #284

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Notion's founder here. Thank you for the kind words - we are honored :-) To be honest, nothing we are doing is that new. Most of the ideas came from the 70s-80s (Alan Kay, Doug Engelbart, Ted Nelson...) We are just applying a fresh coat of paint. Of course, there's still a lot more to be done to fully realize these pioneers' dreams of computing as a medium for everyone – not just programmers like us. If you are inter…

I see a lot of potential for Notion and really enjoy the service, but currently it still feels a little rough. Some thoughts: - while the browser-based webapp is mostly fine, the mobile apps feel really subpar and somewhat out of place on iPad and iPhone alike: Sluggish, slow animations, inconsistent keyboard behavior, unnecessarily large fullscreen modals on iPad - it's very noticeable that it isn't a native app. It…

I also have similar issues with the text processing.

I like the model they use that everything is a block - you get predictable behaviour, but I do think the normal shortcut for select all should select a page, and that I should be able to select text from multiple paragraphs using keyboard commands (if you do ctrl+shift+arrow you get stuck at the edge of a block).

Re: Notion – All-in-one workspace for notes, tasks, wikis, and databases

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Post by rkangel »

givelinuxlove wrote: post #353
ivanzhao wrote: post #284

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Notion's founder here. Thank you for the kind words - we are honored :-) To be honest, nothing we are doing is that new. Most of the ideas came from the 70s-80s (Alan Kay, Doug Engelbart, Ted Nelson...) We are just applying a fresh coat of paint. Of course, there's still a lot more to be done to fully realize these pioneers' dreams of computing as a medium for everyone – not just programmers like us. If you are inter…

Give linux love. I was interested in trying it after reading comments, but as it is I can't touch it until there is a linux build.

I use Linux, am a heavy Notion user through the web app and I'm very happy. I'm not sure why people would want the desktop apps (I do use the android app for a bit of on he go reading and adding images).

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Post by hanspeter »

thecatspaw wrote: post #385
hanspeter wrote: post #369

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In the EU they are by law. In reality not all websites disclose all services they share data with though. And all users click accept in the cookie pop-up anyway.

FullStory is not opt in. Source: am European

Have you seen those pop ups with a button to consent to cookies and a link to a privacy page where usage of 3rd party services like Fullstory has to be disclosed? That's your opt-in.

Re: Notion – All-in-one workspace for notes, tasks, wikis, and databases

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Post by atombender »

ohadron wrote: post #390

Used notion for about 6 months, but stopped for two main reasons: 1. It's extremely slow on even a new iPhone - about 6-7 seconds until I can start typing a note. By then I forget what I wanted to write. It's basically a webview of a very heavy web app, so it's not snappy at all. 2. No offline support whatsoever. In addition it feels like they have abandoned development or are busy being acquired (~bi-weekly updates…

Bear is pretty good, but not really comparable.

Bear is "just" a personal Markdown note app. No folders, no support for anything other than text/images, no collaborative editing, no support for multiple workspaces. The tag model is nice, but pretty limited.

Notion's raison d'être is collaborative, structured text: Workspaces for sharing and editing documents, with a rich set of embeddable objects (for example, you can embed Github gists and CodePens). It also has some pretty powerful Airtable-type database support where you can treat pages as records, and then view/sort/filter them in different presentation modes (gallery, board, etc.). Like Airtable, this lets you build mini apps such as task boards inside pages.

Bear's in the same space as iA Writer, Apple's Notes, etc. Notion's closest competitors are probably Google Docs, Dropbox Paper and possibly Quip and Milanote.

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Post by ex3ndr »

SomeHacker44 wrote: post #237
mjulian wrote: post #51

I love the product, but the login workflow is awful. Why innovate on logins? We've solved that problem. Specifically, the login is a randomly-generated one-time code sent to your email address. Notion says this is more secure than them storing a username+password, but that's a dubious argument. They've also said this is two-factor auth (lolno). A side effect of this is that Notion is unusable on my mobile device sinc…

Thanks for telling me this. I will definitely avoid Notion now. I want a username/password combo at the very least, both different for every site I use, and preferably with TOTP as well. I never want my email to be used for security purposes as it is among the most hackable target out there.

That very strange. If you don't have 2FA then you can just reset your password via hacked email.

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Post by Too »

woolvalley wrote: post #251
beat wrote: post #216

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But again, that's enterprise. This started with the idea of a personal on-prem solution, which is probably not worth the cost to maintain for the company. I mean, how much is it worth to you to have an on-prem personal solution for a diary ? Because that's the worry... people are afraid that their household budget or their database that tracks the content of various adult films or whatever is going to get exposed. Th…

Personal users want E2E encyrption, so it doesn't matter who is running the server. And most users do not have the skill to run their own server. The technically advanced can just use the enterprise version if they really care about personal on prem.

Maybe we should change the notion that it's difficult to deploy an on prem service.

Why can't it be as simple as containerizing it and presenting it exactly like your would install an app on your phone, with the same possibility to grant permissions? App store provides automatic OTA updates so you don't have to bother about security. And the app itself should not have internet connectivity, connectivity is provided through authenticated tunnel into the container so the app cannot phone home in the background, you can only connect into it using the tunnel with your own password.

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Post by lazzlazzlazz »

danols wrote: post #419
setgree wrote: post #399

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> In addition it feels like they have abandoned development or are busy being acquired (~bi-weekly updates until about three months ago: https://www.notion.so/What-s-New-157765353f2c4705bd45474e5ba... ) Notion founders, do you care to comment on this? My company recently started a paid account on Notion and I'd love to know more.

The founder (ivanzhao) has made an appearance and only made one comment to so far to thank for some praise. Hasn't addressed a single question or replied to any concerns/feedback. Not a great sign and makes me reluctant to give it another try.

This lack of interaction and response to put a hold on my excited trial run.

Re: Notion – All-in-one workspace for notes, tasks, wikis, and databases

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Post by lardissone »

mshanks wrote: post #433

We're are developing an open source offering in this space: https://budibase.com . Planning to have an MVP in the summer - at which stage we will also make the source public. We are more focussed around a tool for building SaaS products, fast. However, we are planning to build a Notion-like app using BudiBase, for management of the project & business. Sign up for updates if you're interested! Website is a bit vague o…

Oh, looks really interesting.

Re: Notion – All-in-one workspace for notes, tasks, wikis, and databases

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Post by PurpleRamen »

atombender wrote: post #450
PurpleRamen wrote: post #413

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The database is evernotes internal structure, and can change. The HTML at least is their official export and somewhat stable. I bet when you search on github you will find some scripts converting the database into html. But for a company it might be to much hassle to maintain such a tool.

This should be the bread and butter of a company like this, no matter how much hassle the technical implementation details are. In today's world, getting people to bootstrap a completely new app with content is a very hard ask. Want customers? Have great onboarding.

A company has always thousands of imporant tasks which they should do. But ressources are limited, so most of them simply can't be done. This task here is nice on paper, but in reality just a minimal enhancement over the existing solution.
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