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Re: Firefox 64 Released

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Post by cerberusss »

nnain wrote: post #421
bane wrote: post #386

There's always been a look & feel problem for me with Firefox...something that seemed to be solved right out of the box with Chrome. I've not been able to put my finger on it, but I think this kind of small user-convenience stuff is part of it. It's not "features" per se, but more the feel of how the application works. It reminds me of old platform video games before Super Mario Bros. (and for a while after) Superfic…

Same here. I gave Firefox a fresh chance at v57 (Quantam), but I'm back to Chrome. It was fine honestly, no problems with performance or with what I could do. But Right after install, I spent several minutes in just fixing some very basic UI irritations. It had some extra-spacing on sides of the address bar, a 'heavy' looking menu bar, etc. (most users don't want to do that, and rightly so). I don't mind the differen…

It reads to me as though you easily get used to Firefox. I can see some advantages related to privacy. Why not give it a shot and use it for two weeks?

Re: Firefox 64 Released

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Post by [deleted] »

mr_woozy wrote: post #389
jjordan wrote: post #15

Is this the version that kills Live Bookmarks? Some of us FF old-timers are hopelessly reliant on these things, and it's, as far as I have found, the fastest way to quickly scan lists of headlines from all your favorite sites at once. Seriously, one click and you can quickly mouse over the sites on your bookmarks toolbar to consume hundreds of headlines. I really, REALLY hate that they're killing this feature, but th…

I upgraded and instantly regretted it, as usual.

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Re: Firefox 64 Released

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Post by scrollaway »

kevincrane wrote: post #120

> We’re excited to introduce multiple tab selection, which makes it easier to manage windows with many open tabs. Simply hold Control (Windows, Linux) or Command (macOS) and click on tabs to select them. Once selected, click and drag to move the tabs as a group — either within a given window, or out into a new window. Yessss. It doesn't happen often, but the times when I open up 6-10 tabs for research but then decide…

This is one of those Chrome features that was keeping me on Chrome. I kept switching to Firefox and this would be a major reason why I would switch back.

Super happy right now.

Re: Firefox 64 Released

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Post by daleharvey »

drbawb wrote: post #350
daleharvey wrote: post #279

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It sucks when you want to use feature that arent available however users wishes always trump site authors, we tested ask by default and it turned out more users wanted them blocked "Click here to play video" is also clear and easy to understand, not sure why you would think your users could not handle that. In future https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/Permissions... may help

>We tested ask by default and it turned out more users wanted them blocked. I was one of those users, as I have Nightly installed. I hope you don't seriously think me clicking "no" on the majority of those popups in any way equates to me saying "videos should never autoplay." -- Hell I used my own service and approved one of those dialogs for it. You should be careful how you read into statistics: there is a huge dif…

We dont seriously think that and we are careful about how we read into statistics ...

Re: Firefox 64 Released

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Post by EnderMB »

madmax108 wrote: post #424

Every new release of Firefox makes the experience better and better. I'm glad Mozilla has started focusing on the browser again, not just as an "open alternative to chrome" but as the "best possible browser", which I truly believe Firefox today is :) Every new release reminds me of this comic: http://www.stickycomics.com/computer-update/ As a tweet I read today[1] : "Mozilla seems to be under the assumption that ther…

I "wanted" Mozilla to win, in the last two years we've had the Cliqz and Looking Glass controversies, and a number of security reports based on decade-old bugs.

Firefox is a great browser, but Looking Glass was enough for me to switch back to Chrome. I want Mozilla to do well, but like the author has said, their marketing team seems to have strange ideas of how to win, and it goes completely against the perception of what Mozilla is for.

Re: Firefox 64 Released

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Post by daleharvey »

mancerayder wrote: post #367
mancerayder wrote: post #360

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're a benevolent site amidst a maelstrom of websites who eagerly want users to hear and see things that they didn't expect. And very large publishers are perhaps the most guilty. News websites, Facebook ads, and typical websites with some announcer voice yapping away with music in the back, trying to get your attention to Buy something. So why stop at a pop-up for AutoPlay video? "The website has requested permiss…

If this is about giving the user's more control over what they see: then the setting should not be hidden in about:config, full stop. I know this may be lost on the HN crowd, but doing that relegates the functionality to a small fraction of power-users. You know what, I think we agree! That's two votes for "move some stuff out of top-secret about:config and into Settings where the mortals can actually use it, it's us…

Its in about:preferences (at least it will be when fully released)

Re: Firefox 64 Released

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Post by zaarn »

jjordan wrote: post #194
opencl wrote: post #160

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The usage stats from telemetry showed a 0.01% usage rate. Even if 99% of people that used the Live Bookmarks feature disabled telemetry that implies that 99% of Firefox users did not use the feature.

Well, Firefox killed the RSS button on the URL bar a while ago now (bring it back with https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/awesome-rss/ ), so AFAIK there has been absolutely nothing to indicate the feature even existed for years now. Also, 0.01% of a big number is still a big number, and given the state of the feature, that number is likely to include a lot of long-time users.

According to Mozilla's statistics, 0.01% amounts to only 80'000 browser installs that use live bookmarks. That's not a big number and it's easy to find features that more people care about (ie multi-tab selection).

When resources are constrained you have to make decisions about what features you'll continue to develop and which to cut out. Live bookmarks was cut out. Mozilla devs have also mentioned that this feature is ancient code and would have required a lot of coding effort to bring up to date.

I'm sure if you were to invest the time to reimplement live bookmarks with modern code and with the internal restructuring in the browser in mind and you'd volunteer to maintain it and fix all filed bugs, they'd accept it.

Re: Firefox 64 Released

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Post by zaarn »

sprash wrote: post #353
floatboth wrote: post #253

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Superior performance? Like when windows take a whole second to appear because the protocol is synchronous and the server is busy doing something else? :) Wayland makes lots of things possible: multi-monitor HiDPI, touchpad gestures like pinch to zoom (just like Macs could do ages ago), touchscreen support that's actually independent of the mouse pointer instead of always dragging it along… and there's finally no godd…

> Superior performance? Like when windows take a whole second to appear because the protocol is synchronous and the server is busy doing something else? Might be true, never happened to me. But what about FPS in Games. X11 beats it there for me. Or what about in the most important metric of them all: Latency. In all my Tests Latncy on Wayland is always a regression, compared to X11. (I use Intel and HDxxxx era AMD Gr…

> Latency.

On my own testing (GNOME, latest Kernel, as well as Sway temporarily) latency and FPS were better on Wayland than X11 (though only on my beefier graphics card, windows rendered on the second one had higher latency and comparatively lower FPS than expected. But I don't game on that card.

>One thing I need regularly, namely OpenGL pass-through via SSH, will never be possible with Wayland.

Correct because Wayland isn't a network-like protocol as X is (though I've had X network passthrough break or fill up a gigabit ethernet connection worth of bandwidth on more than one occasion).

If you want remote desktop on Wayland, you need a tool specifically designed for that.

It's the unix mindset after all; why have one tool (X) do everything when you can have lots of tools interact and each solves it's own little problems (Wayland + tools)?

>Wayland should only care about tearing when I play full screen games.

If you run a game on wayland you usually get control over the screen anyway when you go fullscreen, once you have exclusive control you can go tearing all you want.

Though with adaptive sync becoming more common (and already being common on laptops) the perfect frame is less costly than tearing; the display will run at the FPS you can manage (within bounds). For it to work you only need to VSync and the GPU driver handles the rest.

In my experience, Wayland has way better and smoother performance than X on adaptive sync displays.

Re: Firefox 64 Released

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Post by Piskvorrr »

Endy wrote: post #408
kevincrane wrote: post #120

> We’re excited to introduce multiple tab selection, which makes it easier to manage windows with many open tabs. Simply hold Control (Windows, Linux) or Command (macOS) and click on tabs to select them. Once selected, click and drag to move the tabs as a group — either within a given window, or out into a new window. Yessss. It doesn't happen often, but the times when I open up 6-10 tabs for research but then decide…

Oh good, so now they're bringing in another Chrome feature. Or should I say, an Opera feature that Chrome stole and wasn't necessary in Firefox.

Opera is dead, and I'm sad about that. Implementing features that made Opera great is the best course of action, IMNSHO.

Re: Firefox 64 Released

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Post by dbrgn »

EnderMB wrote: post #455
madmax108 wrote: post #424

Every new release of Firefox makes the experience better and better. I'm glad Mozilla has started focusing on the browser again, not just as an "open alternative to chrome" but as the "best possible browser", which I truly believe Firefox today is :) Every new release reminds me of this comic: http://www.stickycomics.com/computer-update/ As a tweet I read today[1] : "Mozilla seems to be under the assumption that ther…

I "wanted" Mozilla to win, in the last two years we've had the Cliqz and Looking Glass controversies, and a number of security reports based on decade-old bugs. Firefox is a great browser, but Looking Glass was enough for me to switch back to Chrome. I want Mozilla to do well, but like the author has said, their marketing team seems to have strange ideas of how to win, and it goes completely against the perception of…

So you switched to Chrome?! Where the analytics stuff is not just a single fuck-up (followed by an apology) but built-in? Where all of a sudden "delete cookies" means "delete cookies except for those by Google"?

I don't get it. Criticizing Mozilla for those things is fair, but switching to Chrome as a reaction to them doesn't make sense to me.

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