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Re: Lime and Bird are growing rapidly

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Post by ZoomZoomZoom »

mbel wrote: post #444
ZoomZoomZoom wrote: post #435

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is not a personal swipe, just a sarcastic remark on a tactless and judgemental comment.

I would say it's the other way around. You made a tactless and judgemental comment on a sarcastic remark.

I ride kick scooter almost daily on my commute and can't find anything sarcastic about calling it "completely dorky", sorry.

I've also gotten used to not hear (or make) such comments in my adult life, contrary to the school years, where it was a norm of communication, unfortunately.

Re: Lime and Bird are growing rapidly

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Post by Tade0 »

One interesting thing about these scooters is that their lifetime CO2 emissions are actually slightly less than a that of a vegan on a bicycle.

That is given the following assumptions are correct:

-A vegan on a bicycle has a carbon footprint of 22g/km of CO2.

-The scooters are Xiaomi Mi electric scooters with a 330Wh(approx based on specs) battery of the type with the biggest CO2 footprint(250kg/kWh).

-Electricity comes exclusively from coal(1kg/kWh of CO2).

With these assumptions the break-even point is 7500km or 4700 miles - that's approx. one charge each workday.

Re: Lime and Bird are growing rapidly

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Post by criddell »

asdff wrote: post #336
criddell wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

SF allows scooters, but not Bird or Lime because of their conduct.

Ahh, yes. It was the companies who rode them on the sidewalks.

I believe it was more about dumping scooters all over the city before getting permits.

Re: Lime and Bird are growing rapidly

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Post by crankylinuxuser »

scarejunba wrote: post #347
cortesoft wrote: post #287

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No, my entire point has been that we need laws about where scooters are parked. I think it is a bit unfair to say we have democratically decided to let scooters park everywhere simply by the fact that we haven't yet passed any laws about where they can park; the law is slow to move, and the scooter parking issue is pretty new. Before Bird and Lime, there were not enough scooters around to be a big enough problem wher…

We've democratically decided to allow people to use the new iPhone X. Scooters are the same.

Your use of a phone does not fundamentally devalue the public commons.

Dumping private property on public lands, and expecting the citizens to respect what amounts to abandoned property is absurd.

This is a level 100 class of "Tragedy of the commons". And with enough scooters, the very act of going somewhere on a scooter will be blocked by corporate trash.... Err, limes and birds.

Re: Lime and Bird are growing rapidly

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Post by scarejunba »

crankylinuxuser wrote: post #454
scarejunba wrote: post #347

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We've democratically decided to allow people to use the new iPhone X. Scooters are the same.

Your use of a phone does not fundamentally devalue the public commons. Dumping private property on public lands, and expecting the citizens to respect what amounts to abandoned property is absurd. This is a level 100 class of "Tragedy of the commons". And with enough scooters, the very act of going somewhere on a scooter will be blocked by corporate trash.... Err, limes and birds.

Sure it does. Spectrum is a common resource. That's why it's hard to take a call in a stadium. And we let people bring their phones there.

Besides, dumping private property on public land is what parking cars is. I'm comfortable outlawing this if we outlaw all street parking as well.

Re: Lime and Bird are growing rapidly

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Post by e40 »

scarejunba wrote: post #344
e40 wrote: post #84

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I don't so much mind them littering the sidewalk as them being ridden on the sidewalk. They are extremely dangerous for pedestrians. Should I step around that dog poop, I might be hit by a scooter coming up from behind me. I have had close a dozen close calls when I was walking in a straight line. I walk 4 miles/day on sidewalks with these things.

Extremely dangerous? Just so I can calibrate my understanding, what are a couple of other things you consider extremely dangerous? For me, extremely dangerous means high risk of death or grievous body harm. Something like 100 micromorts per exposure. I want to ensure I'm not underrating this.

I have had 10+ people whiz past me at 20 MPH, within inches of my body. Had I taken a step to the side they were riding, I would have been hit and been pushed to the ground. Had I hit my head, I could have died. People die from head injuries all the time. In the shower, falling down, etc.

Yes, I call this extremely dangerous, because death could result.

Is it likely? No. Is it possible? Yes.

A few years ago a 20 something year old girl was walking in SF and was hit by a bicycle, knocked to the ground and hit her head. She died at the scene. (She was in the crosswalk and the rider was charged with something, I forget.) So, it does happen.

Re: Lime and Bird are growing rapidly

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Post by 6cd6beb »

ZoomZoomZoom wrote: post #425
numair wrote: post #60

I have spent a lot of time observing this phenomenon in Venice; here are some of my thoughts. What these scooters have done for SM-Venice is, they’ve gotten people to park farther away and spend less time in cars. Especially the tourists. What does that mean for locals? Well, for one, it means that the nuisance of having to drive slow past people on these things, rather than the nightmare of sitting in standstill tra…

>>They’re completely dorky and I’ll never be caught dead on one Sorry for asking, but are you thirteen?

I'm in my early thirties and feel the same way.

A lot of people do. Looking at something and saying "I don't think I would do that because it would be very embarrassing" is a thing adults can do.

Re: Lime and Bird are growing rapidly

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Post by BurningFrog »

0xADEADBEE wrote: post #300
BurningFrog wrote: post #289

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Uber stores the route of your trip anyway. So all info you withhold from them is the few meters walk from where you ordered to where you got picked up.

Well of course and you make a fine point, but I don't know what the app is up to when I'm not using it. And there was also the fiasco of them tracking after rides were completed [1]. I suppose what it comes down to is that we pour huge amounts of information into our phones and by extension, companies that don't necessarily have our best interests at heart, and any steps I can take to ameliorate that without a huge t…

OK, the "you never know factor" is hard to argue against.

Re: Lime and Bird are growing rapidly

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Post by wavefunction »

They're a menace to society given the un-insured nature of their services. A local journalist had some scooter doofus run into her vehicle badly enough to damage the ability to open the driver's side door, then he turned around and claimed she hit him. So she was facing having a record of striking a pedestrian on her driver's and insurance records and was only saved by footage from a surveillance camera. What a joy!

Re: Lime and Bird are growing rapidly

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Post by scarejunba »

e40 wrote: post #456
scarejunba wrote: post #344

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Extremely dangerous? Just so I can calibrate my understanding, what are a couple of other things you consider extremely dangerous? For me, extremely dangerous means high risk of death or grievous body harm. Something like 100 micromorts per exposure. I want to ensure I'm not underrating this.

I have had 10+ people whiz past me at 20 MPH, within inches of my body. Had I taken a step to the side they were riding, I would have been hit and been pushed to the ground. Had I hit my head, I could have died. People die from head injuries all the time. In the shower, falling down, etc. Yes, I call this extremely dangerous, because death could result. Is it likely? No. Is it possible? Yes. A few years ago a 20 some…

So if you had the following reference points: crossing the road normally as you do (A), skydiving (B), BASE jumping (C) where we know that A < B < C (empirically), does this fall below A, above C, or between two of {A, B, C}, and if so, which two?
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