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Facebook Network Breach Impacts Up to 50M Users

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Re: Facebook Network Breach Impacts Up to 50M Users

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Post by Balgair »

pdeuchler wrote: post #127

Said this yesterday in the other Facebook thread, and I'll say it again. Working for Facebook is a morally bankrupt position. If you are an engineer you have plenty of job opportunities available to you and there is no excuse for you to continue contributing your labor and time to a wholly malignant organization. At a certain point one has to ask how we as an industry will start dealing with those who continue to tak…

"The Universe is a morally hazardous place" -Ribbonfarm

The issue is that there is not a 'universal' set of morals for tech people, especially as tech has started to become a more accessible profession. I'll agree, personally, that the ethics of working with FB may have issues, large ones at that (Rohingya comes to mind). But, and correct me if I am wrong, are you are advocating for a medical board/ the bar / ASME / professional engineer type of organization? Generally, those organizational types also have ethical issues too, but they tend to be a lot more nuanced and not as glaring.

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Post by arez »

naravara wrote: post #352
chronid wrote: post #253

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So is working at Google, Amazon and probably 90% of the big corps of the world in many sectors - from oil to finance to pharmaceutical to telecommunications and so on. And we can include the government. If you're a subcontrator or sold in body rental (modern IT slavery) you're also in the same position as an employee, so you're enabling their evils. Also, if one of those companies is a client of your company you're a…

> So is working at Google, Amazon and probably 90% of the big corps of the world in many sectors While Google and Amazon both have their ethical problems and serious anti-trust issues, Facebook is in a league of its own. The complete, cavalier disregard for the consequences of its own actions as long as they get theirs is utterly unconscionable. Unlike Google or Amazon, they add nothing of real value to society to ba…

Facebook is just the first that stumbles over all the sh*t that they doing. Amazon with their slavery workforce isn't better and Google was pretty good as keeping everyone happy and creating services but they're as bad as everyone else. I think we will see Google running into similar problems soon. They have also the problem of not having enough guidance anymore, sergey and larry don't care at all and never really wanted to build such a big evil corp. the only one left at the top is sundar but I don't think he can manage to steer such a beast of corporation into shallower water.

but I'm also hoping that it breaks apart and we find a better way then invading peoples privacy to monetize platforms

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Post by Al-Khwarizmi »

pslam wrote: post #312
chronid wrote: post #253

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So is working at Google, Amazon and probably 90% of the big corps of the world in many sectors - from oil to finance to pharmaceutical to telecommunications and so on. And we can include the government. If you're a subcontrator or sold in body rental (modern IT slavery) you're also in the same position as an employee, so you're enabling their evils. Also, if one of those companies is a client of your company you're a…

"They're all like this so it's impossible to do good" is an even more morally bankrupt position. It rejects personal responsibility and agency, places you as the victim, and allows you to continue to be a bad actor in the world. You should change this.

This. It's like with politicians. If you fall for the argument that "they are all the same", you are benefitting the most corrupt. And they won't have an incentive to become even slightly better.

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Post by lord_braleigh »

chronid wrote: post #253
pdeuchler wrote: post #127

Said this yesterday in the other Facebook thread, and I'll say it again. Working for Facebook is a morally bankrupt position. If you are an engineer you have plenty of job opportunities available to you and there is no excuse for you to continue contributing your labor and time to a wholly malignant organization. At a certain point one has to ask how we as an industry will start dealing with those who continue to tak…

So is working at Google, Amazon and probably 90% of the big corps of the world in many sectors - from oil to finance to pharmaceutical to telecommunications and so on. And we can include the government. If you're a subcontrator or sold in body rental (modern IT slavery) you're also in the same position as an employee, so you're enabling their evils. Also, if one of those companies is a client of your company you're a…

OSKARSCHINDLERWASANAZI

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Post by paulcole »

avip wrote: post #345
jim777 wrote: post #324

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Man this post made me angry. Being human is a morally brankrupt position. Accumulating wealth is a morally brankrupt pastime. If you want to be a morally pure human, starve yourself -- that's the only way.

Starving yourself is undoubtedly morally bankrupt, especially so if you have elderly parents or young kids or random loved ones or dependants in general. Not by accident killing oneself is considered a primary sin in many mainstream religions.

Oh, well if the mainstream religions think it’s bad surely it must be.

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Post by Al-Khwarizmi »

jaequery wrote: post #416
DSingularity wrote: post #398

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Why are you so invested in the continuity of facebook? Its like, "Doctor, why dont we just apply pressure on the tumor until it starts to grow at more reasonable rates!". No. When you find cancer, you try to eliminate it. Facebook is exactly this -- cancer. They have been aggressively monopolizing software for socializing so that they can arrive to the dominant position they are in now. Until Facebook becomes more tr…

whatever happened to the saying, "if you dont like it, dont use it" ?

It died with network effects. And no, I'm not going to make all my family (including non tech-savvy, 60-year-old people) download a second app to talk with me apart from the ubiquitous Whatsapp they use to talk with everyone else.

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Post by paulcole »

subcosmos wrote: post #339
icelancer wrote: post #278

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Some dude on the Internet who knows better than everyone else.

Someday in the future the "Internet Morality Police" will flash their cryptographically signed badges stored on a blockchain

If you are serious, YC applications are still open.

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Post by rhizome »

chronid wrote: post #253
pdeuchler wrote: post #127

Said this yesterday in the other Facebook thread, and I'll say it again. Working for Facebook is a morally bankrupt position. If you are an engineer you have plenty of job opportunities available to you and there is no excuse for you to continue contributing your labor and time to a wholly malignant organization. At a certain point one has to ask how we as an industry will start dealing with those who continue to tak…

So is working at Google, Amazon and probably 90% of the big corps of the world in many sectors - from oil to finance to pharmaceutical to telecommunications and so on. And we can include the government. If you're a subcontrator or sold in body rental (modern IT slavery) you're also in the same position as an employee, so you're enabling their evils. Also, if one of those companies is a client of your company you're a…

This is why in my dating profile I say that I'm skeptical of people who work at FAANG, and if they do that they'll have to prove they're human. (not in so many words)

going to work for Facebook/Google/Amazon is a enormous bump (we're speaking 2-4x) of salary for many people, which in some cases means you can buy an house after 3-4 years even with the crazy rents back in your home country

Ah yes, the ends justify the means.

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Post by Joakal »

naravara wrote: post #352
chronid wrote: post #253

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So is working at Google, Amazon and probably 90% of the big corps of the world in many sectors - from oil to finance to pharmaceutical to telecommunications and so on. And we can include the government. If you're a subcontrator or sold in body rental (modern IT slavery) you're also in the same position as an employee, so you're enabling their evils. Also, if one of those companies is a client of your company you're a…

> So is working at Google, Amazon and probably 90% of the big corps of the world in many sectors While Google and Amazon both have their ethical problems and serious anti-trust issues, Facebook is in a league of its own. The complete, cavalier disregard for the consequences of its own actions as long as they get theirs is utterly unconscionable. Unlike Google or Amazon, they add nothing of real value to society to ba…

What companies offer 500k+ and is ethical?

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Post by confounded »

Verdex_3 wrote: post #357
pdeuchler wrote: post #127

Said this yesterday in the other Facebook thread, and I'll say it again. Working for Facebook is a morally bankrupt position. If you are an engineer you have plenty of job opportunities available to you and there is no excuse for you to continue contributing your labor and time to a wholly malignant organization. At a certain point one has to ask how we as an industry will start dealing with those who continue to tak…

We as an industry? Look friend. If I lose my job, you aren't going to do anything to augment my lack of income. You're not going to do anything to provide health insurance. And you're not going to do anything to help me find new employment. There is no "We". Here's an idea. If this topic is something that you feel is important, then perhaps you can set aside half your income to a general fund to help provide benefits…

Job options for ex-Facebook employees are extremely good, at least the technical ones.
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