Am I logged in or not? GDPR case study on the example of Chrome browser change

Post by hrktb » Tue, Sep 25, 2018, 6:47 AM UTC

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I wonder if we’re not already at this point though, and it might not be a bad thing. Not everyone uses a browser the same, but a decent part of people here will spend their working life in the browser. I think for people here it won’t be rare to have dozen of windows with each dozen of tabs, some logged in different acconts within the site they show, some in incognito, some with in developer mode. Even with just the…

The problem is that you're in the 0.001% of people who want their software complicated like an airline cockpit. Most people don't give a shit, they just want to check their gmail and couldn't care less. They don't even read the alert boxes that do pop up. They just click almost anything blindly. As a result, companies get away with dark patterns and privacy-compromising changes like this. I'm somewhere in the middle.…

Post by hulahoof » Tue, Sep 25, 2018, 7:30 AM UTC

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Evil sort of loses it’s meaning when it’s thrown a google in a world where Pennsylvania just banned books that aren’t sold through their systems from prisons, where ICE kills children in concentration camps, and that’s talking domestic issues only. I mean, if google is evil then what do you call North Korea? Super duper evil?

I was just referring to Google's own phrase: "Don't be evil." Google is evil in the same way now, that Microsoft was back in the day.

Post by autocorr » Tue, Sep 25, 2018, 7:51 AM UTC

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I work at Google; opinions are my own. > I don't understand why the Chrome team is picking this hill to die on- their team (managers and developers) are all over twitter and reddit trying to explain the privacy violations away as if the people upset about this are just not understanding what's going on. My impression is that this is the new norm at Google. It happens with everything, internal or external. The sad rea…

Why would they repeat the Google+ linked accounts nightmare though? I never wanted a fucking chrome account, and linking my business and private accounts is the stupidest thing you idiots could have done. I never wanted my youtube account tied to my business email.

Post by Twisell » Tue, Sep 25, 2018, 7:54 AM UTC

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You said it yourself, Google’s raison d’etre in some ways into these markets was that they were not evil anticompetetive Microsoft. Today, they very much are. Arguably they were always this way, but dark patterns like this is a new low. And no you don’t need to be North Korea to be evil. That is a meaningless comparison. Coincidentally Google has started working with regimes similar to NK; The PRC. Is that not evil?

> Coincidentally Google has started working with regimes similar to NK; The PRC. Is that not evil? No, it's not, because evil is a negative ideal , but I don't think it actually exists in reality. Even Hitler wasn't evil, he was insane, and the whole situation is a case study of what happens when people, regular people , are given an easy explanation for all their problems. Placing something in the category of "evil"…

Post by thaumasiotes » Tue, Sep 25, 2018, 7:59 AM UTC

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You're on the right track but it'd probably be a modal popup with "Google is making things better by inventing foo and elevating bar to the height of technology, as part of this change we'll be cloudifying some technical data. [Accept and Continue?]" with a teensy tiny little x in the corner... possibly burying all these in a EULA update.

Judging by all those post-GDPR popups I frequently receive the text would also contain some text like “by clicking ‘accept’ or ‘X’ you consent to XYZ.” Theres almost never a true choice.