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The Surface Book 2 is everything the MacBook Pro should be

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Re: The Surface Book 2 is everything the MacBook Pro should be

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I have a P51, and I just bought a Pixelbook because the P51 is a great machine but not really a laptop. See here: https://programmingzen.com/google-pixelbook-review/

That was what drew me to the T470P absurdly fast little machine, 200+ dpi screen and upgradeable ram and storage. I like the 14” as a step between 13 and 15 as well.

Yes, at the time I should have bought the X1 Carbon, T4xx series, or just the 15" MacBook Pro.

Re: The Surface Book 2 is everything the MacBook Pro should be

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Use https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Everything_(software)

"Everything" is the among the greatest pieces of Windows software ever written. It is wonderful. I cannot figure out why, with all of their money, Microsoft doesn't just pay the guy a little cash and make it a built-in feature of Windows. It would increase the usability of Windows, especially among novice users, enormously.

I think they refuse to use the technique because it doesn't respect file permissions the way they prefer (IIRC).

Re: The Surface Book 2 is everything the MacBook Pro should be

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You can run window managers just fine with X on windows. I use i3 and bspwm on my surface almost anytime I turn that machine on (I have other Linux laptops I use as well and the config is one rsync away usually). Just be sure that whichever x server you run doesn't run its built in manager. With VcXsrv you can do this via XLaunch.

Yes, but won't that only work with apps compiled with X? If I wanted to use the Windows version of Firefox and Visual Studio or something in the panels of XMonad on Windows, would that work?

Right. You can't use xmonad to tile windows apps in this kind of setup. Generally firefox and visual studio are screen hogs so I tend to alt-tab for apps like that, which works fine in combination with the fullscreen X server.

Re: The Surface Book 2 is everything the MacBook Pro should be

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> Windows is a complete shit show I have more problems with my late 2016 MBP now than I do with any of the Win10 machines I use, and I've been using both OSs for 25+ years. The whole" Windows is a shit show" feels like the tired diatribe of people that want to crap on Microsoft but haven't actually used the OS themselves in years.

Okay, so recent story from a Mac user here. My boss got a new Surface thing - I don’t know which exact model, sorry - and actually he really likes it. (He’s also a Mac guy.) So we’re sitting on a plane and he’s showing me how easy it is to sort email in tablet mode, and it blue-screens. Really unlucky, right, because normally it doesn’t do that of course. But hey, shit happens, we chuckle, whatever. So he puts it in…

Unprompted, sheer coincidence, message from my boss 1 day after this post:

“Closed laptop at office. Put in bag. Took car to Paddy’s. Got on train to finish off email. Laptop still on. Bag almost of fire. 7% battery left. Microsoft, your products are total shit.”

I’ve run a Mac for 15+ years and I can say, hand on heart, this has never happened to me.

Re: The Surface Book 2 is everything the MacBook Pro should be

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Yeah, I saw a dude in the elevator (this year) because his Windows 10 started installing updates when he shut it down, but he needed to leave the office. I get so much crap when I say this online, but Windows is a complete shit show. Yeah, there are issues with macOS, but it is lightyears better. Yeah, I know Apple has dropped the ball on hardware, but my 5 year old MBP is just fine.

A few years ago I'd have agreed with you. Do you know a way to make OSX not force every fullscreen window into a separate desktop for no reason? It started doing that a few versions back.

hold the ALT (option) key while clicking the window's green maximize "button." It toggles between an enlarged and "normal" window size, without going into full screen mode.

Re: The Surface Book 2 is everything the MacBook Pro should be

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The Surface Book also runs something I never want to deal with again: Windows 10. I can't deal with a software that constantly gets in the way of my work. I gave Windows a lot of tries, but the latest edition was the last straw for me. Never going back.

That's actually something I've changed my mind about.

Been a long time Linux user myself and kinda hated on Windows.

About a year ago I got a Macbook Air and while I appreciate the UI, that one really got in the way of working.

There's no apparent way of going up one folder in Finder and by default you don't even see full paths. Closing windows doesn't really quit the app, maximizing windows does a weird kind of maximizing, you need to install an app to get window snapping... Terminal is nice though!

Decided to give Windows a try again recently and with the WSL I don't see too much to complain about. System settings are confusing and weirdly hidden in different apps, updates are unnerving etc. yes but in terms of daily use no obstacles.

Have to use Windows at work as well and aside from updates nothing work-hindering.

Re: The Surface Book 2 is everything the MacBook Pro should be

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It’s 2018 and I still see people walking around with Windows laptop lids open because they presumably have no confidence in Windows’ ability to sensibly preserve state after closing the lid. Software matters, and how it integrates with hardware. And I keep waiting for them to fix just the basics in Windows 10. Not utterly losing both the sizes and positions of all windows just because the laptop was undocked. Not fai…

Not spying on me and not transmitting unknown to me personal information to unknown parties would be a killer feature. I treat any windows machine as if it has a keylogger and submits all my activity to all major governments (maybe only one today and “all” in a few years when my data gets sold, shared or stolen). This is a serious issue for me.

. this plus they own linkedin, skype, a ton of media, and now github as well as have plugins into almost every major company/government in the world via their Active Directory.

Re: The Surface Book 2 is everything the MacBook Pro should be

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Comparison to ubuntu is silly. Comparison should be with osx.

Apple also tried ads ( failed) and is a lot more expensive. And as said in the comment, i don't use/care about osX. I do use Ubuntu a lot, that's why i compared it.

Look at those prices again, Apple is not “a lot more expensive” in fact the surface book cost as much or more. at least apples machines are high quality, when was the last time you saw a 10 year old PC laptop running like it was new?

Re: The Surface Book 2 is everything the MacBook Pro should be

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Apple also tried ads ( failed) and is a lot more expensive. And as said in the comment, i don't use/care about osX. I do use Ubuntu a lot, that's why i compared it.

Look at those prices again, Apple is not “a lot more expensive” in fact the surface book cost as much or more. at least apples machines are high quality, when was the last time you saw a 10 year old PC laptop running like it was new?

You are targeting the Surface book, while i mentioned ( everywhere) Windows in general and a laptop of 1000 € ( in another comment).

The discussion was also about hibernate or suspending, where some seem to complain about. I have never had issues with it, i mentioned issues about it in Ubuntu.

--> at least apples machines are high quality -> Didn't read: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17413572 + https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15496745 + https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13797042 ? Top dollar for a failing critical component. Yeah, you are so right ;) - you can keep your device :)

I will keep working on my Convertible HP Spectre x360 with docking station for attaching 2 external monitors through the USB-C standard on Windows :) .

Re: The Surface Book 2 is everything the MacBook Pro should be

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Apple deserves the same scrutiny, but Spotlight Suggestions is designed for privacy. It uses randomly generated frequently rotated IDs and is easy to disable. Disabling Windows 10 telemetry is difficult and cannot be done via user settings. Microsoft has also been adding telemetry to other products such as VSCode and .NET Core.

The only assurance you have that Apple isn't producing a profile is their honest promise. Nothing stops them as it stands other than some hand waving. And you cannot disable application telemetry in the App store which everyone has, including Apple's apps. Apple's approach doesn't stop anyone from turning their apps into a privacy disaster. But sure. Windows telemetry is unique. Right.

except for MS windows is a product, and for apple macos is a means to an end. plus apple doesn’t advertise in my app launcher or then use their data in their search engine (that they don’t have)
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