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Re: The End of Windows

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Post by deno »

bayindirh wrote: post #381
zanny wrote: post #375

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As someone who reads text all day, going up to a 27" 150 PPI monitor was huge . There is a tangible improvement in how that text looks, especially on an accurately colored monitor. The other footnote should be that display prices have been crashing recently. You can get an IPS 24" FHD monitor for like $90, and a QHD version at 27" for about $150. Those would have been twice as expensive a few years ago. That being sa…

> As someone who reads text all day, going up to a 27" 150 PPI monitor was huge. You're right, however not everyone has the same desktop space to accomodate a 27" panel. I can barely fit a 24" on my desk. 1440p monitors start at 25". > The other footnote should be that display prices have been crashing recently. When I was in the US at the end of 2014, one of my friends said the same thing about flash drives when I p…

1440p is a resolution for gaming, not work.

You can get 24" 4k (2160p) 180ppi 60Hz for $300 e.g. LG 24UD58.

Re: The End of Windows

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Post by mjevans »

bayindirh wrote: post #295
bhauer wrote: post #243

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That hardware report is surprising to me in many ways. * In 2018, the most popular resolution for users of Firefox is still 1366x768. And only 1920x1080 is making any headway against the dominance of 1366x768. As much as I am surrounded by the culture of multiple 4K+ displays, apparently this is not at all commonplace. 4K doesn't even get listed, presumably lumped into the "Other" category. * In 2018, the most popula…

> In 2018, the most popular resolution for users of Firefox is still 1366x768. And only 1920x1080 is making any headway against the dominance of 1366x768. As much as I am surrounded by the culture of multiple 4K+ displays, apparently this is not at all commonplace. 4K doesn't even get listed, presumably lumped into the "Other" category. Most of the tasks in the real world doesn't need multiple 4K displays, including…

I would __much__ rather have TWO 1080p or 1920x1200 displays than a single 4K display. For me, the quantity of visible 'glass' matters most. It's surprisingly difficult to drive double 4K monitors.

Maybe as the price comes down and more transistors end up in basic chipsets we'll see 2 and 3 heads of 4K displays become common.

Re: The End of Windows

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Post by bradb3030 »

There's a book "Zone to Win" by Geoffrey A. Moore that describes these various transitions for Microsoft and it suggests that it's intentional to transition one business unit at a time.

Re: The End of Windows

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Post by distances »

pmontra wrote: post #342
bhauer wrote: post #243

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That hardware report is surprising to me in many ways. * In 2018, the most popular resolution for users of Firefox is still 1366x768. And only 1920x1080 is making any headway against the dominance of 1366x768. As much as I am surrounded by the culture of multiple 4K+ displays, apparently this is not at all commonplace. 4K doesn't even get listed, presumably lumped into the "Other" category. * In 2018, the most popula…

Personally I won't touch anything with less than 32 GB and 1080p, but people that use a PC like a tablet with a keyboard and a larger screen have different needs. They are the vast majority of buyers. A friend of mine is thinking about buying a new laptop. We were looking together at what's available in the sub 400 Euro range, basically everything is 4 GB and 1366x768. Add some 200/300 Euro and 8 GB and 1080p start t…

> No adblocker because my friend wants to see ads and they could actually be useful in his business.

This is the weirdest part for me, as I've myself never met a person who'd like to see ads. Installing an adblocker seems to usually be a relevation for people.

Re: The End of Windows

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Post by bitmapbrother »

Joeri wrote: post #269
Micoloth wrote: post #221

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They also will never drop windows because it's probably gonna be an extremely useful platform when the next generations of devices will come up, think of AR. The fact that they dropped the mobile market (where windows could not fit as very different hardware was involved in the beginning) doesn't mean they will miss the next shot too. They will have an entire ecosystem up and running, and windows 10- level flexible t…

The fact that they dropped the mobile market (where windows could not fit as very different hardware was involved in the beginning) doesn't mean they will miss the next shot too. Every single incarnation of windows mobile / phone was well tailored for the mobile hardware of the day. What sunk windows phone was not that it was slow, it was that it was late to go touch-first and failed to differentiate enough to make u…

You seem to be suffering from the same delusional thoughts that affected Myerson.

This is such an utterly clueless explanation of why Windows Phone failed that it’s kind of stunning. Until, of course, you remember the culture-induced myopia I described yesterday: Myerson still has the Ballmer-esque presumption that Microsoft controlled its own destiny and could have leveraged its assets (like Office) to win the smartphone market, ignoring that by virtue of being late Windows Phone was a product competing against ecosystems, which meant no consumer demand, which meant no developers, topped off by the arrogance to dictate to OEMs and carriers what they could and could not do to the phone, destroying any chance at leveraging distribution to get critical mass…

Interestingly, though, Myerson’s ridiculous assertion in a roundabout way shows how you change culture…In this case, Nadella effectively shunted Windows to its own division with all of the company’s other non-strategic assets, leaving Myerson and team to come to yesterday’s decision on their own. Remember, Nadella opposed the Nokia acquisition, but instead of simply dropping the axe on day one, thus wasting precious political capital, he let Windows give it their best shot and come to that conclusion on their own.

Re: The End of Windows

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Post by [deleted] »

deno wrote: post #451
bayindirh wrote: post #381

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> As someone who reads text all day, going up to a 27" 150 PPI monitor was huge. You're right, however not everyone has the same desktop space to accomodate a 27" panel. I can barely fit a 24" on my desk. 1440p monitors start at 25". > The other footnote should be that display prices have been crashing recently. When I was in the US at the end of 2014, one of my friends said the same thing about flash drives when I p…

1440p is a resolution for gaming, not work. You can get 24" 4k (2160p) 180ppi 60Hz for $300 e.g. LG 24UD58.

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Re: The End of Windows

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Post by Feniks »

bhauer wrote: post #243
cpeterso wrote: post #206

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You can see a nice graph showing (Firefox) users steadily upgrading from Windows 7 to 10 from Mozilla's Firefox telemetry: https://hardware.metrics.mozilla.com/#goto-os-and-architectu...

That hardware report is surprising to me in many ways. * In 2018, the most popular resolution for users of Firefox is still 1366x768. And only 1920x1080 is making any headway against the dominance of 1366x768. As much as I am surrounded by the culture of multiple 4K+ displays, apparently this is not at all commonplace. 4K doesn't even get listed, presumably lumped into the "Other" category. * In 2018, the most popula…

Man I love that bubble you live in ;)

You can run win10 on a 15 year old laptop if you want. Hardware and software compatibility has always been MS strength, something nobody can even come close to.

Re: The End of Windows

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Post by majormajor »

dmix wrote: post #450
laythea wrote: post #358

When my child gets older and leaves home, I won't be saying its the end of him. He has just matured. Similarly, this just marks the maturity level of Windows, where there really is no significant innovation in operating systems release after release. Nothing like win 3.1 -> win 95 etc. Its been that way for a while. Obviously its cash that motives this move from Microsoft, however I wouldn't want Microsoft changing t…

The more comments I read on here the more it seems people have only read the headline, or have only a surface level grasp of the content, without really understanding what the author is saying. "The End of Windows" = "The End of Windows as the core foundation of the various Microsoft divisions/services/apps" It does not mean the end of Windows as an important part of Microsoft...at all. Rather it's about decoupling W…

Generally I think we call that "clickbait," no? :)

Headlines like that make some people less likely to actually read the article, especially on HN.

Re: The End of Windows

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Post by deno »

shados wrote: post #440
zanny wrote: post #375

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As someone who reads text all day, going up to a 27" 150 PPI monitor was huge . There is a tangible improvement in how that text looks, especially on an accurately colored monitor. The other footnote should be that display prices have been crashing recently. You can get an IPS 24" FHD monitor for like $90, and a QHD version at 27" for about $150. Those would have been twice as expensive a few years ago. That being sa…

2560x1440 on a 27 inch at a reasonable distance is pretty darn close to optimal IMO, so 4k, to me, is for 34" monitors (but 27 inch I feel is optimal on 60-75 inch desks, which is what I usually work with, so 4k rarely matters). I'm with you on accurately calibrated monitors though! God most of them suck out of the box.

If you don’t see any (spectacular!) difference between 4K & 1440p you need to have your eyesight checked.

I’m not being sarcastic. The last time there was a thread like that on HN a bunch of people figured out they need glasses.

I have a 4K @ 24in monitor (180ppi) and a 267 ppi netbook and when I switch between them the 4K starts looking like a blurry mess!

Re: The End of Windows

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Post by cm2187 »

asveikau wrote: post #33

I still can't wrap my head around everything that was wrongheaded about Windows 8, and I was working there for most of its dev cycle. One wonders what would have happened if they just sort of let Windows be Windows. I.e. if they had continued iterating on core stuff but left UI and general philosophy resembling Win7's trajectory and not tried to force people into WinRT/UWP/store. Even though Win10 attempted correctiv…

What strikes me is that their latest bet seems to be universal web apps. I have nothing against UWA in themselves but I very much doubt that the mass of Java/VB/C#/C++ developers that write the bulk of Windows apps will suddenly move to JavaScript. And if you ported your app to the web why bother with UWA.
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