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With teen mental health deteriorating over five years, there’s a likely culprit

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Re: With teen mental health deteriorating over five years, there’s a likely culprit

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Post by sheepmullet »

Can_Not wrote: post #449
sheepmullet wrote: post #447

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> Yeah but there's a difference between going to college and becoming leftist There is a difference between becoming leftist and becoming consumed with hatred and rage towards people who disagree with you politically. Especially when those people have worked tremendously hard to support and care for you.

"I hate oppression" and "I hate ethnicities" are still 2 very different things to bring home. That's a very false equivalency.

That's just word play.

The neo nazis believe that we are being oppressed by the Jews.

It's easy to label groups we disagree with as oppressive but that doesn't make it true.

Re: With teen mental health deteriorating over five years, there’s a likely culprit

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Post by newfoundglory »

abusoufiyan wrote: post #333
newfoundglory wrote: post #244

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Well, yea. The housing market is super fucked up, that’s what’s wrong.

I guess but why would teenagers of all people care about this? You don't need a house. Many of the kids I knew growing up lived in apartments. If they lived in a house they could inherit it from their parents. Why is the housing market something children worry about?

> If they lived in a house they could inherit it from their parents.

Heh "hi mom, dad, FYI I'm planning to live with you and my two siblings until I'm around 50 and then you can die and it'll just be us three kids here".

Also, by "house" I meant "dwelling/residence".

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Post by mykull »

tboyd47 wrote: post #416
mykull wrote: post #407

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I don't think that's hard to imagine. I'm imagining it right now. I don't think we're going to get there without some strange forces acting on us, and idk if that's a society I want, but we are more malleable than we give ourselves credit for. People seem to think that life as we know it is life in all it's possibilities rather than one permutation of an infinite mess of dissimilar outcomes. I think the things we str…

I'd be interested to know what that society looks like, if you want to share. My own personal observation is people who are totally absorbed in social media are socially anxious and awkward, don't engage in conversation except about things that are in their very narrow areas of interest, and tend to suddenly get heated or "triggered" very quickly when exploring those subjects. There really is no such thing as "casual…

I think we agree. For living that way to not be massively depressing, as you say, it would have to be a different world. Social media would need to be different. Sociological lessons would have to be learned that prevent the internet and social media from being what they are in reality.

Thankfully at least my imagination can step out of this reality. I can see a scenario where people are spread thin and just use remote conversation instead of in-person.

I can see a world where politics and profiteering don't end up in the way of quality communications tools.

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Post by dang »

bambataa wrote: post #389
sheepmullet wrote: post #222

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> For many of them, they see education as a negative attribute Yes it's an unfortunate byproduct of the link between education and left wing ideology. We often joked that people who go away to college come back dumber than when they left. As an example when my daughter was in college she came to visit us and was talking about how I was contributing to the patriarchy and enabling the oppression of women and how women…

It must have been discomforting that your sweet girl had become a woman with thoughts and opinions differed to yours.

If I'm reading this correctly, it's a nasty personal attack. That's not allowed on this site regardless of how wrong you think someone else's views are, and we ban accounts that do it. Please don't do it again.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: With teen mental health deteriorating over five years, there’s a likely culprit

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Post by dang »

Can_Not wrote: post #444
sheepmullet wrote: post #429

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> had become a woman with thoughts and opinions differed to yours. If your daughter came home from college a neo-nazi would you say the same? What if lots of your neighbors sons and daughters were also coming home from college neo-nazis? I'm not so sure you would agree that they had grown up and developed their own opinions.

Yeah but there's a difference between going to college and becoming leftist and going to a trailer park and becoming a neo-nazi.

Could you please not do generic ideological arguing on Hacker News? It's off topic here.

Re: With teen mental health deteriorating over five years, there’s a likely culprit

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Post by eli_gottlieb »

sago wrote: post #297
eli_gottlieb wrote: post #269

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>The trouble with articles like this is they don't explore the other factors. Maybe the simply access to information makes kids more nihilistic. And nihilism isn't a bad thing. The universe is absurd, we have no meaning except what we give to ourselves (through religion or belief of whatever). Maybe kids are just realizing this, and it has nothing to do with technology? Maybe they're realizing that because of technol…

I think it is no coincidence that in your final paragraph you don't specify the question. Can you formulate a specific question in such a way that an nihilist might answer "No", but you feel that the correct answer is "Mu"? "What is the meaning of life?" - a nihilist would answer 'mu'. "Is there any intrinsic meaning to life?" - a nihilist would answer 'no', and it seems to me that 'mu' would be an obvious copout. Is…

>"Is there any intrinsic meaning to life?" - a nihilist would answer 'no', and it seems to me that 'mu' would be an obvious copout.

Yes, it does seem to me that "mu" would be a copout. A binary question about a well-specified (you could say, meaningful, ahaha) concept should not be answered with "mu".

>Is your point that the word 'meaning' itself is meaningless?

No, more that the kind of people who ask "is there a meaning to life?" are underspecifying the word. I think it would be useful to have a companion here to "mu", meaning, "Your question is so vague as to be meaningless."

An easy way to see the issue is to ask: what would it be like (whether that's what we really experience or not) for there to definitively be meaning in life? If you can't answer that, can't ground such a basically humanistic question in even potential human experience, then I charge that the question has become meaningless, and should thus be either refined or discarded.

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