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Introducing Surface Book 2

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Re: Introducing Surface Book 2

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This is a good example of how Microsoft often does marketing poorly. The text reads like a script for an in-person product launch. On the page it doesn't even make sense "When you think about Microsoft and you hear our mission – to empower every person and every organization on the planet to achieve more – it’s powerful." What? And then after all of that, you click through to the store and there's no pricing informat…

As a former advertising executive, I can tell you what the problem is here. The writer and his boss who approved the copy aren't addressing the customer, they're addressing the boss's boss. In a dysfunctional organization like Microsoft, communicating up rather than out is how you get promoted. It's a rare Microsoft employee who moves up the ladder by thinking about the customer.

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Re: Introducing Surface Book 2

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This is a good example of how Microsoft often does marketing poorly. The text reads like a script for an in-person product launch. On the page it doesn't even make sense "When you think about Microsoft and you hear our mission – to empower every person and every organization on the planet to achieve more – it’s powerful." What? And then after all of that, you click through to the store and there's no pricing informat…

This HN post is linked to a blog post, that's also why you see topics like the Band. Perhaps try the actual Surface marketing site which includes pricing and pre-ordering (which starts on nov/9): https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/surface/devices/surface-book...

Re: Introducing Surface Book 2

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Having worked at Microsoft and now at Apple (and a startup before these two), in my opinion

The overall distribution of proficiencies and talent across engineering teams (both hardware and software teams) in my opinion were about equal across the three.

(One major difference though is finding engineers who don’t mind doing nitty gritty dirty work like Dev ops and/or setting up test automation stuff is harder in big companies because somehow many of the senior engineers at big companies feel that if the setup isn’t given to them by someone else, it’s not their job to set it up for their team, so they just use what’s available/existing even if it’s insufficent for good quality.

(Not trying to bash on any oldies on my existing or previous teams of course there were few exceptions)

At startups though engineers don’t have this “that’s below me” Attitude and will put in the time to set up automation if it makes the team more agile.

In fact setting up developer automation was one of the first things I set up for my team before getting to my feature development tasks and team has acknowledged it made huge difference in the overall team agility and reduction in regressions found by the QA folks every time code was checked in )

Anyway this made me realize the importance of good marketing which Microsoft lacked a lot imo and also engineering leadership product vision

Since generally I’ve noticed you’ll get about the same distribution of engineering talent

And what really makes the difference are a good marketing team and good engineering management team

who believes in the importance of code quality (ensuring things like checkstyle and findbugs are enabled as required to pass for check in and having required code review approvals for check in) and automation in tests (ensuring some set of unit, integration, and functional tests are run to be passed before check in), and automation in deployment.

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So many negative comments just because it's Microsoft. If you don't like the OS, obviously this machine is not for you. Personally I think it looks nice, but I have a Surface Pro 2 that works just perfectly fine and I love it. The hardware on it is still good and I don't see any reason to upgrade.

I think that in itself speaks to the quality of the Surface device line... I myself have the first Surface Book, and I will likely upgrade to the 2 at some point, but not because my current device doesn't serve me well... I'm glad this thing is still working like new and I don't have huge urges to upgrade because I suddenly feel inferior, like some other tech companies try to pull... EDIT: Don't work for MS, just a h…

The Surface Book was good enough on paper that I ordered one without ever having seen one in person, and being willing to switch from Linux (Arch with i3wm) to Windows for it.

It has not disappointed me.

Re: Introducing Surface Book 2

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This is a good example of how Microsoft often does marketing poorly. The text reads like a script for an in-person product launch. On the page it doesn't even make sense "When you think about Microsoft and you hear our mission – to empower every person and every organization on the planet to achieve more – it’s powerful." What? And then after all of that, you click through to the store and there's no pricing informat…

> "When you think about Microsoft and you hear our mission – to empower every person and every organization on the planet to achieve more – it’s powerful." What?

They're 'starting with why' - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qp0HIF3SfI4

TL;DW: a marketing consultant suggested replacing "We make computers to empower people" with "We empower people; we just happen to make computers"

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post #425

This is a good example of how Microsoft often does marketing poorly. The text reads like a script for an in-person product launch. On the page it doesn't even make sense "When you think about Microsoft and you hear our mission – to empower every person and every organization on the planet to achieve more – it’s powerful." What? And then after all of that, you click through to the store and there's no pricing informat…

Right from the title! What sort of a tagline is this "Surface Book 2, the most powerful Surface Book ever."? No-one needs to be told that the Surface Book 2 is going to be faster than the Surface Book 1.

Apple often uses this line for iPhones...

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some pros tend to disagree with that assessment https://www.penny-arcade.com/news/post/2016/10/26/the-surfac...

Of course. But Microsoft also gives that guy free stuff to essentially do PR for them, so there’s that to consider.

To try it out. Gabe bought his own after playing with it.

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post #456
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Right from the title! What sort of a tagline is this "Surface Book 2, the most powerful Surface Book ever."? No-one needs to be told that the Surface Book 2 is going to be faster than the Surface Book 1.

Apple often uses this line for iPhones...

It's dumb when Apple does it too but it's less dumb because:

- There's more than one previous iPhone

- It's a broader statement. There are multiple variants so the new one isn't guaranteed to be more powerful (e.g. iPhone 5C is the same power as iPhone 5)

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If you don't like the OS, can you not slap Linux on it? I found this thread on that subject [1] not sure how feasible it is. [1] https://www.reddit.com/r/SurfaceLinux/comments/3qcqha/ubuntu...

Yep. I run latest Ubuntu on my Surface Pro 4 and it's great. The touchscreen doesn't work, although there are plenty of custom kernels out there that would fix that.

You still like the Surface Pro enough with the touch screen not working? One of its biggest draws? That's seems quite nice. Major points in the Surface series favor.

Re: Introducing Surface Book 2

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So many negative comments just because it's Microsoft. If you don't like the OS, obviously this machine is not for you. Personally I think it looks nice, but I have a Surface Pro 2 that works just perfectly fine and I love it. The hardware on it is still good and I don't see any reason to upgrade.

That's because Microsoft is trash. Typing this from an SP3, which I overall like very much. I was given this, so I have no misgivings. But the overall sloppiness of Windows and the years of varying quirky behavior I've had with this thing has been very annoying. Windows has an excuse when the hardware is arbitrary, but with the surface line there is no excuse. If I had paid more than a few hundred dollars for an SP3,…

You can expect negative comments for every OS in existence.

You seem to dislike Windows quite a bit. To the point where it seems personal or you have a vendetta against it.

Yes things like settings are silly in modern Windows. But they aren't make or break stuff.

There's major positives to be seen from Windows too. They are the only major player trying to get touch working on desktop. That's not easy to do.

You don't specify what sloppiness or "years of varying quirky behavior" so I can't say much about that. If I wanted to really criticize the other OSes I have experience with - MacOS and Ubuntu. I'm sure I could come up with sloppiness issues and varying quirky behavior too. It wouldn't be hard at all, but it wouldn't be right either. They are both solid OSes overall (at least for now).

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