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It’s time to give Firefox another chance

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Re: It’s time to give Firefox another chance

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Post by ubernostrum »

AndrewCHM wrote: post #446
ubernostrum wrote: post #417

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So, what would you do to oppose, say, EME? What cost would you be willing to pay? Would you be OK with, for example, some number of people being badly injured or possibly dying if it would guarantee a permanent end to DRM? How many people? This is not hyperbole, by the way: when you adopt the sort of you-agree-with-me-completely-or-you're-my-enemy rhetoric you're using here, well, people's lives are what you're sayin…

And strengthening the stranglehold of copyright holders, doesn't help them ruin lives in a similar way through court systems?

DRM will exist with or without EME, and web-based distribution of major popular media will use that DRM in whatever form it takes. So EME versus no EME is a wash there, and I've argued at length that killing DRM cannot be done via "principled stands" -- it has to be done via market forces, as it was with online distribution of music.

Meanwhile, the rhetoric I was responding to was very much of the "people who only 99.99999% agree with me will be first against the wall when the revolution comes" school of thinking.

Re: It’s time to give Firefox another chance

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Post by noncoml »

earlybike wrote: post #447

Did benchmarks on an i7-MBPr (4 cores @2.7Ghz) and an iPhone 7. I'm aware that JetStream and SunSpider aren't about the CSS and rendering but I was curious: Chrome FFNightly Safari Safari OSX OSX OSX iOS --------------------------------------------------- MotionMark(↑) 348.82 190.23 474.55 295.12 JetStream (↑) 166.84 173.96 239.03 171.27 Sunspider (↓) 225.2ms 178.4ms 115.2ms 198.5ms I was surprised about FFNightly's…

Although benchmarks can be valuable tools for the developers, as end user I don't care about them.

What I really care about was that with previous versions of Firefox, my MacbookPro would start getting hot as soon as I would fire it up, and every page load would feel like a drag.

With 57, my Macbook is cool and everything feels snappy.

Re: It’s time to give Firefox another chance

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Post by glogla »

hueving wrote: post #410
dralley wrote: post #282

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While Mozilla has had quite a few projects that didn't really pan out, I'm not sure you're giving them enough credit. They developed (well... became the first and most significant major backer of) an entirely new programming language, purely for the purposes of building a better browser. And then devoted tons of resources for years into developing Servo, a massive and complex project that is only being realized now.…

Did you forget about the Firefox OS for mobile phones?

I don't get people complaining about FirefoxOS. It didn't work out because at that time, the phone hardware wasn't ready, and because they didn't have the political power and economies of scale.

But at least they tried. Everyone else just gave up and either accepted Apple's overpriced walled garden or handed over their deepest secrets to Google.

Re: It’s time to give Firefox another chance

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Post by tomc1985 »

disillusioned1 wrote: post #391
kuzimoto wrote: post #311

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Not sure what you're downloading, but have you ever given youtube-dl ( https://rg3.github.io/youtube-dl/ ) a try? It's got support for tons of other sites than just YouTube. It doesn't have a GUI, but it's pretty simple to use.

youtube-dl-gui ( https://mrs0m30n3.github.io/youtube-dl-gui/ ) is a cross-platform GUI for youtube-dl. It works well for me.

youtube-dl is great, but having a little gui icon in your toolbar was better

Re: It’s time to give Firefox another chance

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Post by vim_wannabe »

MikusR wrote: post #401
tajen wrote: post #191

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Firefox is fast but I'm using several profiles (one for programming websites, one for sysadmin accounts, one for personal, one for politics) and running ~3 instances is sluggish. Chrome has built-in profile management so it's just as fast with 1 or 3 instances. I don't believe it's such an unusual usecase, even my parents ask me all the time how to protect their privacy. A good idea that Ted Cruz might have missed.

Firefox has tab containers.

Now that I've used tab containers quite a bit they do require much more cognitive work than profiles. Having to always be aware of which tab container you are on rather than which browser window profile.

Maybe that's just me though.

Re: It’s time to give Firefox another chance

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Post by glogla »

int_19h wrote: post #438
sametmax wrote: post #416

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Like you can't make mistakes in business, come on ! Who in this bloody comment thread did something as spectacular as mozilla ? As useful ? As hard ? And without grave mistakes ? Seriously get a reality check.

The question you should rather be asking is, who in this bloody comment thread didn't expect Firefox OS to fail, back when it was first announced?

FirefoxOS was a way out of Apple's proprietary walled garden and of being Google's product and information slave.

Maybe it was unrealistic to expect it to work out - one relatively small company fighting with Google and Apple - but I guess some people are optimists and want to believe that the world can be made into something else than corporate dystopia or whatever.

Re: It’s time to give Firefox another chance

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Post by submeta »

Is there a seamless way sync all my Safari bookmarks with Firefox? I detest Google, that's why I'll never use Chrome. Would love to use Firefox on my MacBook. But I keep going back to Safari because it gives me an increadibly streamlined experience on all of my Apple devices (bookmarks, reading list)

Edit: typo

Re: It’s time to give Firefox another chance

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Post by Qwertious »

freehunter wrote: post #223
JamesFM wrote: post #180

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Sorry to go off on you because this is a larger issue then your comment but seriously, can we hold this discussion to a higher standard? Prove to me that Google is tracking me through Chrome. Link me to an article with proof of collection. Most of us our developers here, surely we can apply some more rigor to this conversation then “we know Google is doing this because it’s Google”.

There are an awful lot of green user names lately shutting down conversations using things like "citation needed" or "prove it" on subjects where it's completely inconsequential or the conclusion is obvious. Everyone can easily see how old your account is and the devs of HN made it that way on purpose. Apologies if anyone here isn't willing to bend over backwards for the demands of an account that wasn't even created…

>Everyone can easily see how old your account is

How is that relevant? Astroturfers etc have been buying old well-historied accounts for ages now, so it's not a very reliable method of distinguishing shills anymore. It's only useful for sockpuppets and amateur shills.

Re: It’s time to give Firefox another chance

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Post by robin_reala »

Spivak wrote: post #350
digi_owl wrote: post #190

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Well that, and paying every adware from here to eternity to bundle a Chrome installer...

And sticking 'Google service X is better with Chrome' on all of their sites probably didn't hurt either.

Along with multiple prime time TV ad campaigns.

Re: It’s time to give Firefox another chance

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Post by Manishearth »

Santosh83 wrote: post #448
lightedman wrote: post #409

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Make FireFox work with FaceBook's Live Video feature - as in both viewing and broadcasting. You'll have me switch back from Chrome in a heartbeat.

Seriously, when we talk so much about the Web's portability, why is a major feature from a major website not even working on identically on the two biggest browsers? Since it's Facebook we can't accuse them of browser favouritism as they're browser neutral. I wonder what APIs are missing from Firefox that makes FB Live Video broken?

> Since it's Facebook we can't accuse them of browser favouritism as they're browser neutral

Favoritism isn't the only reason for these things. What often happens is that the website devs all use one browser and nobody tests it.

It's not like Google wants their sites to be broken on other browsers either (I presume), it's just that many teams at Google aren't bothered.

IIRC Firefox has the same WebRTC APIs as Chrome, so this might be reliance on browser-specific nonstandard behavior.

(Or it might not. It's worth looking into, but I can't because it seems like you need to ask for an FB live invite to investigate)

Edit: Figured out how to do it. Seems to work fine in Firefox Nightly.

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