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Uber London loses licence to operate

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Re: Uber London loses licence to operate

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I don't think the Mayor of London or TfL really expect to shut down Uber. It would be a deeply unpopular move. There's an acceptance that Uber has improved things for riders, albeit at the expense of the Black Cab industry, and London wants to welcome innovative technology firms. However, I also suspect that Uber hasn't been as co-operative as TfL would like on several issues mentioned, and so this feels like a warni…

Not only would it be an unpopular move, it would throw approximately 30,000 drivers out of work.

Not really. Almost all Uber drivers in London used to be minicab drivers (or work for e.g. Addison Lee), and the pay, rates, customer-base etc. are similar.

Re: Uber London loses licence to operate

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Except that in UK approx 95% of such offences are carried out be people with no prior convictions - so you don't weed out that many attackers this way.

If that 95% assumes that people undergo background checks, my assumption is that number might decrease.

I'm not certain that crime is one where the perps are logically weighing the pros and cons.

Re: Uber London loses licence to operate

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Then just accept the fact you’re part of the problem. If everyone was like you and only in it for themselves, quality service would be rare, if not ever.

I'm PAYING money in order to get a service to reduce the stress in my life. I'm not paying money to increase it. I improve services by voting with my wallet, which black cabs are trying to take away from the consumer.

While the cabbies do hate Uber, I'm not sure you can blame the current moves entirely on them, there's quite a lot more to it than that.

Re: Uber London loses licence to operate

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Failure to report serious crimes and allowing the driver to continue driving for Uber: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/aug/13/uber-fail... http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/uber-drivers-accused-of... Failure to properly check medical certifications: https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/1897962/investigation-reveals-... Failure to follow up DBS (criminal records) checks (can't find an article about that one).…

Uber drivers were accused of 32 sexual assaults on passengers in 2015/16. In 2015, 126 London taxi drivers were charged with violent or sexual offences — or 521 over the past five years.

Source pls.

Re: Uber London loses licence to operate

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I would under normal circumstances, but if you're alone/in a place you don't know/drunk/woman/at 2am, or even all of those, that's a tough decision on whether it's safer to get in or stay out, and we're socially conditioned to not question these sorts of situations as much as we probably should.

Unless you called a cab to escape a particularly dangerous situation, I can't imagine it ever being a good idea getting into a car with a different driver and registration. You're not getting into a taxi, you're getting into a stranger's car.

Don’t underestimate how hard it is to say “no”.

Re: Uber London loses licence to operate

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post #435

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm PAYING money in order to get a service to reduce the stress in my life. I'm not paying money to increase it. I improve services by voting with my wallet, which black cabs are trying to take away from the consumer.

While the cabbies do hate Uber, I'm not sure you can blame the current moves entirely on them, there's quite a lot more to it than that.

Everybody knows the blackcabs have been lobbying tfl and major for a long time.

Re: Uber London loses licence to operate

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post #16

When I have reported black cab drivers misleading passengers, lying about pricing and regulations or bus drivers driving dangerously and being rude to everyone, TfL are totally uninterested. They give the impression that they know the scams operate and don't care. It's an interesting comparison with my Uber experience, which has been almost flawless and issues are usually fixed by Uber themselves promptly.

I used an Uber for a 45 minute journey recently. The seatbelt didn't work. In the UK it's illegal to not wear a seatbelt, and it's against Uber's terms of service for me not to wear a seatbelt, and against their terms of service for the driver not to provide one. Uber didn't care, told me they would "talk to the driver". I'd have expected at least an acknowledgement that they endangered my safety, but no, no acknowle…

Why did u not sit in a different seat where it did work ??

Re: Uber London loses licence to operate

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I'm sorry but you will have to do more to explain your point on black cab user experience being horrendous. Whilst it can be hard to get a hold of one at times, in my experience of 20 years of using them, the user experience is great - the drivers are typically friendly and get you there as quickly as they can. I have used Uber many times in London and abandoned it months ago, as the drivers don't have the local know…

I've only taken a London cab a handful of times, but I never had a bad experience. I don't think I've had a bad experience with Uber drivers either...maybe one or two weird conversations .. same with Lyft drivers. I just want to know if Uber drivers can average the same income as cabbies working the same hours. In New Zealand, several Uber drivers use to be cabbies and switched from Wellington Combined because they e…

> I just want to know if Uber drivers can average the same income as cabbies working the same hours.

I have no data, but my prior based on conversations in London is "no way". Uber pays similarly to minicabs --- minimum wage-ish when car maintenance is accounted for. Pre-Uber, I heard cabbies made £40k-£60k pretty steadily.

Re: Uber London loses licence to operate

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I don't think the Mayor of London or TfL really expect to shut down Uber. It would be a deeply unpopular move. There's an acceptance that Uber has improved things for riders, albeit at the expense of the Black Cab industry, and London wants to welcome innovative technology firms. However, I also suspect that Uber hasn't been as co-operative as TfL would like on several issues mentioned, and so this feels like a warni…

Not only would it be an unpopular move, it would throw approximately 30,000 drivers out of work.

40,000

Re: Uber London loses licence to operate

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post #16

When I have reported black cab drivers misleading passengers, lying about pricing and regulations or bus drivers driving dangerously and being rude to everyone, TfL are totally uninterested. They give the impression that they know the scams operate and don't care. It's an interesting comparison with my Uber experience, which has been almost flawless and issues are usually fixed by Uber themselves promptly.

The difference is that those companies haven't built software with the express purpose to operate extrajudicially. Being "innovative" doesn't mean that you have full reign to operate unethically.

> Being "innovative" doesn't mean that you have full reign to operate unethically.

You are right. Being "Government" means you have full reign to operate unethically.

Do you believe that if a government comission said that Uber cabs are safer than taxi cabs, that they would ban taxis?

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