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Devs use function keys a lot, on the Mac? I'm a web developer and am keyboard-centric, but I've never ever had to use one function key from I can remember. What are they used for? I do use the ctrl key while in the terminal, but what I am missing with the function keys..?

Some IDEs make extensive use of function keys, e.g. IDEs from JetBrains (IntelliJ IDEA, WebStorm, …).

On the Mac?

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So, because they aren't sane enough to figure out a naming scheme that makes sense, I have to waste hours or days looking at reviews just to understand what the difference is between the models? From what I could understand it's possible that the X67L is a good laptop, the X67LX is a crappy low-cost plastic netbook. How dumb is that. Also, why do they ask me if my laptop is for work or home? What if I use it for both…

You make this sound bizarrely difficult given a defined price range you could probably pick a decent laptop based on amazon reviews in 15 minutes and be pretty happy with it. If you want to play real pc games get a desktop or a console unless you have a lot of money to spend. How do you deal with the rest of the consumer universe? I'm betting you get along just fine.

> How do you deal with the rest of the consumer universe? I'm betting you get along just fine.

Yes, because I couldn't care less. I do care about my laptop, though. If anything because it's 1,500 or more.

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Using an iPad (with external keyboard) to even type a simple document is an exercise in masochism. Fair play if you enjoyed it, but something like a Surface makes far more sense for these types of uses.

> Using an iPad (with external keyboard) to even type a simple document is an exercise in masochism. What exactly is the frustration from it? I find it perfectly fine, if not better than using a laptop for writing "simple documents". In fact that's exactly the use case most pro writers that use an iPad use it for.

As the other reply said...non-working shortcuts and also no mouse cursor. You have to continually lift your hand to the screen to swipe or press, or click/double click the home button (hopefully you have the iPad positioned securely or you'll have another frustration on your hands).

When I needed it there was also no splitscreen, which I acknowledge would make things easier. The situation might be better now, but my sour experience forced me to move completely away from Apple at the time.

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I always thought that was the iDevice's strength. With Android, you have nothing actually made by Google but by OEMs, with different names and branding that don't give any real information. Which phone is "the android"? My mom doesn't think she has an android phone, she thinks she has an LG and that Android is a different thing. People buy a low end Android phone and hate the entire ecosystem because the phone perfor…

There's also the 3G, 3GS, 4S, 5S, 5C, 6S, 6 Plus, 6S Plus Looking back, there were always non-descriptive names, and inconsistencies. I'd argue that not knowing what 'Android' is actually demonstrates the technology has reached its goal of being universal. It's implicit instead of explicit. People buy it without needing to know what it is. Why would most consumers care about the name of an operating system? It's unim…

I've actually been saying this since the 3G came out, so we sort of agree. I thought that was the start of the stupidest naming convention, and we're all just watching it get worse throughout the years. At least until the 6 they weren't releasing multiple phones at the same time.

I'm just waiting for "iPhone 10, iPhone 10 Plus, iPhone 10 Air, iPhone 10 Air Plus, iPhone 10 Pro, iPhone 10 Pro Plus, iPhone SE 3, iPhone SE 3G"

> It's not like I remember the exact model of my TV or car

I really hope you know the make, model and year of your car, you need that for basic repairs. My 2004 Corolla takes parts of a 2003-2007 Corolla for most repairs, and runs best with a certain type of oil. Why would you not know this for an expensive device requiring maintenance?

Your TV isn't the same. It doesn't matter if it's 720p, 1080p, or 4k, or what the color resolution is, if it has an HDMI cable that will work.

Your phone is more like a car in that comparison. Things change so frequently, new software, updates (lack of updates), new wireless or hardware standards... An iPhone 5 in 2012 is a very different experience than an iPhone 5 in 2017. But I'm still using the same cheap Dynex "HD" TV for a decade. I can plug in a disk player or streaming device that weren't even conceived of when my TV was sold.

Re: iPad 9.7‑inch

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it's become very hard to justify getting a new iPad over something like the surface. The cheapest iPad is less than half the price of the cheapest surface, and if you only need the iPad features then the surface is really expensive. edit: Seems you can still get the old Surface 3, which only costs a bit more than an iPad.

You could get a cheaper Windows tablet from another vendor, however, and they're still great.

To be fair, they're hit or miss. Due to circumstances I've used three extensively. The asus t100 and chi t300, which were both excellent in their price segment, and the lenovo miix 310, which was terrible (but that mostly seems to be due to w10 which took a vehement dislike to the 32 gb emmc storage).

I've also used ipads extensively and can say that windows devices are not ipad replacements or vice versa. An ipad can't do what a windows tablet can, but the reverse is equally true. Windows doesn't have the rich touch-friendly app ecosystem of iOS. I use both types of devices for the things they're good at, but neither can replace the other.

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> Using an iPad (with external keyboard) to even type a simple document is an exercise in masochism. What exactly is the frustration from it? I find it perfectly fine, if not better than using a laptop for writing "simple documents". In fact that's exactly the use case most pro writers that use an iPad use it for.

As the other reply said...non-working shortcuts and also no mouse cursor. You have to continually lift your hand to the screen to swipe or press, or click/double click the home button (hopefully you have the iPad positioned securely or you'll have another frustration on your hands). When I needed it there was also no splitscreen, which I acknowledge would make things easier. The situation might be better now, but my…

>As the other reply said...non-working shortcuts and also no mouse cursor. You have to continually lift your hand to the screen to swipe or press, or click/double click the home button (hopefully you have the iPad positioned securely or you'll have another frustration on your hands).

Well, I don't normally use the mouse when I'm writing a document. I even prefer full screen, full focus mode in writing apps like iA Writer and Ulysses (also on the Mac).

That said, most shortcuts one would use for writing work just fine (select all, copy, paste, etc). And more from what I see here: http://www.laptopmag.com/articles/every-ipad-keyboard-shortc...

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You make this sound bizarrely difficult given a defined price range you could probably pick a decent laptop based on amazon reviews in 15 minutes and be pretty happy with it. If you want to play real pc games get a desktop or a console unless you have a lot of money to spend. How do you deal with the rest of the consumer universe? I'm betting you get along just fine.

> How do you deal with the rest of the consumer universe? I'm betting you get along just fine. Yes, because I couldn't care less. I do care about my laptop, though. If anything because it's 1,500 or more.

So, since you care, doing research to get the right one doesn't seem unreasonable at all to me.

I put in a solid hour of research at least before buying a new pair of boots. It took me many hours over many days to choose a camera. Took me weeks to build my PC. Each of those products I put in an amount of research that's at least somehow correlated with the price I paid for them (boots -> 100$ -> camera 600$ -> PC $1300)

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The Pro screen is a little different too. The iPad Pro doubles the motion detection to 240hz when there is any kind of touching going on, which reduces the latency when drawing. My understanding is that this significantly adds to the cost of the hardware, and is why we don't have Pencil support across the entire line. I thought that the Pencil does not use a radio a la the Wacom, and is purely Bluetooth, but I can't…

Bluetooth is a radio protocol, I was being being deliberately vague when I said "radio".

Fair enough. I was thinking in terms of those proprietary wireless mouse dongles.

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Correct, the oldest iPad running iOS 10 is the first Retina -aka iPad 4. I bought mine in 2012, still using it daily.

The first retina was actually the 3, which I have. I think the only upgrade in the 4 though was a switch to lightning. (Maybe some spec boosts)

The iPad 4 is roughly twice as fast as the iPad 3. Won't help it though, I'm sure Apple will kill 32-bit iOS in autumn.

Re: iPad 9.7‑inch

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I think it's a decent product at a lower price point. I just got rid of my 1st gen iPad Mini and was looking at the iPad Air.

This product fits perfectly in my budget and what I wanted. I still wish that the cellular one wasn't $100 more though.

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