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Re: Introducing Cloud Spanner, a Global Database Service

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Post by euyyn » Sat, Feb 18, 2017, 6:22 AM UTC

nickpsecurity wrote: post #443

euyyn wrote: post #442

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That's a ridiculous argument: Banks started being a thing at the end of the Middle Ages. The Great Depression and the Great Recession were not caused by banks emerging, nor by people putting their savings in them.

Not emerging. Just being themselves with all their schemes and an economy dependent on them. A distrust of banks and their schemes at a national level might have reduced their ability to cause those problems. On top of the smaller stuff such as them delaying deposits or withdrawing stuff for bogus reasons.

Putting your savings under the mattress instead of in a bank account wouldn't have prevented the Great Recession. It was caused risky mortgages (debts, not savings) being sold as low risk from bank to bank, and then defaulting.

Putting your savings under the mattress instead of in a bank account wouldn't have prevented the Great Depression either.

The only thing it would have accomplished is making your savings easier to steal.

Re: Introducing Cloud Spanner, a Global Database Service

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Post by nickpsecurity » Sat, Feb 18, 2017, 7:20 PM UTC

euyyn wrote: post #451

nickpsecurity wrote: post #443

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not emerging. Just being themselves with all their schemes and an economy dependent on them. A distrust of banks and their schemes at a national level might have reduced their ability to cause those problems. On top of the smaller stuff such as them delaying deposits or withdrawing stuff for bogus reasons.

Putting your savings under the mattress instead of in a bank account wouldn't have prevented the Great Recession. It was caused risky mortgages (debts, not savings) being sold as low risk from bank to bank, and then defaulting. Putting your savings under the mattress instead of in a bank account wouldn't have prevented the Great Depression either. The only thing it would have accomplished is making your savings easie…

Storing gold or other valuables instead of Gederal Reserve notes for sale or bartering wouldn't have helped during Great Depression? I havent heard the angle that there was nothing to barter with on top if worthless dollars.

Re: Introducing Cloud Spanner, a Global Database Service

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Post by ksec » Mon, Feb 20, 2017, 10:32 AM UTC

boulos wrote: post #385

aanm1988 wrote: post #258

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> Amazon runs nothing, it's an outsourcing firm. What the fuck are you talking about. It's one thing to say AWS services are "good enough" but "Amazon runs nothing" is a ridiculous statement.

Agreed, and I work on Google Cloud. We may have different styles and core businesses, but I wouldn't say "eBay ran nothing" either. Logistics alone is a super fascinating space!

Interesting. But Do Amazon actually do much Logistics? I thought they are much more Warehouse and outsourced delivery to DHL and UPS.

Re: Introducing Cloud Spanner, a Global Database Service

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Post by discodave » Mon, Feb 20, 2017, 4:47 PM UTC

parasubvert wrote: post #339

jplahn wrote: post #302

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You do realize the way most services get into AWS is that they're first built in the retail side of Amazon (without any thought towards AWS) and then once people realize it's effectively solving an actual problem, it's rebuilt for AWS. Having to support Amazon retail is a pretty demanding stress test -- I'm not sure why you're getting this notion that Amazon doesn't run anything. I should think handling Black Friday…

That is something of a myth. AWS was created and evolves completely separately from retail, which didn't really use it in anger until 2010ish. Retail is effectively a large customer to AWS. They're very good at watching what customers are doing in general.

The 'rebuilt for AWS' phrase is key.

Re: Introducing Cloud Spanner, a Global Database Service

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Post by hueving » Tue, Feb 21, 2017, 4:26 AM UTC

jghn wrote: post #374

hueving wrote: post #299

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>What's happening for the next decade is the destruction of businesses hosting their own IT infrastructure and moving it to a couple of core centers. Yes, and this will be disadvantageous over the long run for people that want to run things themselves. Ultimately companies like AMD/Intel go where the big money is at. As things centralize further and further, there will only be 3 customers they care about in the serve…

This isn't true. They desperately want to enable users outside of the big cloud vendors as they have very little price leverage over the big vendors

But that won't matter if users keep moving to the cloud. They will be forced to just work on whatever Amazon/Microsoft/Google want.

Re: Introducing Cloud Spanner, a Global Database Service

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Post by discodave » Fri, Feb 24, 2017, 7:40 PM UTC

xapata wrote: post #275

discodave wrote: post #266

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Actually, there are lots of reasons why it's hard to share a service externally. Making a service public means you have to deal with lots of new problems like billing, abuse, dealing with lots of small users instead of a few large ones, stronger backwards compatibility requirements and so-forth.

Yes, but those are orthogonal to the scaling issues that I presume user5994461 was thinking of.

That's kind of the point, when you make a service like Cloud Spanner public you create new scaling dimensions. New scaling dimensions means new problems to solve that are not trivial.