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A US-born NASA scientist was detained at the border until he unlocked his phone

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Post by ewheeler »

Syzygies wrote: post #169
Jonnax wrote: post #10

Their point about how other countries will take the US's stance as a cue is somewhat scary. If you try and cross any border it will be relinquishing access to all accounts. I'm assuming email also comes along with 'social media', since communication is by its definition social. So how do you protect yourself? I think just going with "Don't have any social media" isn't a good answer because the relationship that child…

> So how do you protect yourself? We need a "kill code" on secured devices: A separate password that silently resets the device to a saved state suggesting mild use and offering nothing of substance. Alarm systems have these: A code you only enter under duress, that looks like a regular disarm code, but silently summons help. So where are Apple and Google on something similar for our digital privacy?

Check out PanicKit: https://guardianproject.info/2016/01/12/panickit-making-your...

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Post by tracker1 »

prirun wrote: post #446
tracker1 wrote: post #393

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Frankly, despite initial campaign promises during his first campaign, hes been as bad or worse than the GWB administration in a number of ways. Why he got a pass on a lot of it is beyond me.

We get our information mainly from the media. They decide what the majority of the country knows and doesn't know, and who gets a pass and who doesn't, because most of us don't have the time or desire to obtain first-hand knowledge of what's going on in the world. I didn't vote for President in the last election, because he became a clown with his antics and she (IMO) is a crook. I'm not partial to one side or the ot…

I have to agree, though I did vote, I voted libertarian (not that I really like Gary Johnson all that much either). I can't watch/read most "news" without at least half of it pissing me off in one way or another. On the one hand, I don't like Trump all that much. On the other, I don't like all the fluffed up reporting on crap that the past administration did too. Or at least the over-inflated sense of how it's so much worse now.

In general, I'd love to see us reduce our foreign military presence by 85%, and cut military spending by over 50%. Not counting other areas of the govt I'd love to see deep cuts into. End the war on drugs. End privatized prisons. The list goes on.

Sorry for the bit of a rant... I'm just kind of sick of it all, and that's only loosely following anything.

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Post by [deleted] »

temp-dude-87844 wrote: post #450
tobltobs wrote: post #449

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> who said he'd make Mexico pay for a wall. Why are you sure he will not do that? Could be easily done by an tax on Mexican imports. Didn't you think the Muslim ban was a joke also?

A tariff, duty, import tax, or whatever you want to call it, is paid by the domestic (US) consumer on the imported good. Out of the price paid by the US consumer for the Mexican product, the sticker price is paid to the Mexican producer, while an extra amount equal to the original price times the tariff rate is paid by the US consumer to the US government.

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Post by cylinder »

raverbashing wrote: post #428
justin wrote: post #392

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>Why didn't Obama do anything about it? Responding to the above, Obama did do something: he presided over the first extrajudicial assassination of a US citizen by drone strike.

One that pledged allegiance to a foreign "state" that engages in violence? I fail to see the problem

By your logic, it's acceptable for the PM of Italy to order the assassination of an Italian-American dual citizen because that Italian has pledged allegiance to a foreign state that engages in violence?

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Post by anigbrowl »

LyndsySimon wrote: post #400
anigbrowl wrote: post #294

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One furriner is very much like another. I've had to explain to people worried about a Sikh temple that Sikhism is its own religion. Lots of people are neither well aware of nor interested in the rest of the world, they only like what they already know.

> One furriner is very much like another. The irony of your mocking my accent while trying to cast people who share it as bigoted is not lost on me.

How could I possibly know what sort of accent you have? I know absolutely nothing about you other than your screen name and what you wrote yesterday. I don't even know what country you come from or what gender you are.

'Furriner' is a good word to describe someone whose lack of interest in the outside work is so fundamental that they aren't interested in even spelling it properly. I'm not applying it to you, I'm using it to point out that many people are xenophobic to the point of being indifferent to where foreign people come from or what differences exist between them, they're just 'not from around here' and therefore undesirable. This attitude exists and is widespread, I don't know why you're upset at me for pointing that out.

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Post by tn13 »

danyim wrote: post #204
tn13 wrote: post #101

This is really sad. As an immigrant I always thought this was coming. I never fly on a muslim airlines like Etihad to Turkish even though they are more convenient, I do not accept friend requests from muslims people on LinkedIN and Facebook.

How does that help? Aren't you passing judgment here?

Actually I would glad to have many of those people are friends I am just worried that US government will target me.

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Post by shitgoose »

NotSammyHagar wrote: post #402
shitgoose wrote: post #342

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a century ago one couldn't arrive to a foreign land and immediately start receiving monthly check, free housing, health and other services [savage, barbaric regimes!]. typically people arrived to a foreign country with means and purpose. why would anyone need a passport? to protect whom against whom?

wrong, at least in the case of america. This poem from 1883, this was on the St. of Liberty, which was errected in 1886 [1]. "give us your tired, your poor, your huddled masses". They didn't have means. There were the people who wanted to prevent the racially inferior from coming here, like italians, before them irish, etc. We aren't that america still, in 2016. 133 years later. 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_N…

i am not clear, which part of what i said is wrong.

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Post by masonic »

anigbrowl wrote: post #319
masonic wrote: post #304

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At their last big rally in sacramento last year, 10 people were stabbed, all by the neo-Nazi side. That's not how it was reported. There was no violent contact until "black bloc" rioters armed with clubs rushed the cordon.[0] There were two reported stab wounds that required a trip to hospital. [0] https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jun/26/white-nation...

You'd be better off relying on the local paper from which this article draws, since the reporter is most familiar with their own backyard. http://www.sacbee.com/news/local/crime/article86099332.html Also, while free speech means the government ( qua the police) shouldn't interfere with any group's liberty to express its ideas outside of certain very narrow contexts, members of the public are under no obligation to gi…

The Sacbee article directly contradicts your version, stating half as many stabbing versions and clearly reporting that the "anarchists" (as you put it) initiated the violence.

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Post by raverbashing »

cylinder wrote: post #454
raverbashing wrote: post #428

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One that pledged allegiance to a foreign "state" that engages in violence? I fail to see the problem

By your logic, it's acceptable for the PM of Italy to order the assassination of an Italian-American dual citizen because that Italian has pledged allegiance to a foreign state that engages in violence?

If that dual citizen is actively engaging in such violence and Italy is a (potential) target of such violence, and his activities are happening outside Italy, yes.

> "Where high-level government officials have determined that a capture operation is infeasible and that the targeted person is part of a dangerous enemy force and is engaged in activities that pose a continued and imminent threat to US persons or interests."

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jun/23/us-justificati...

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Post by morgante »

mysticmarvel wrote: post #422
morgante wrote: post #211

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> I don't think asking for a password that doesn't unlock a device in your possession would pass muster, but unlocking your phone would. I don't think they can force me to give up my PIN. Not even a court can do that. My rights as a citizen are indeed less, in that they can detain me in an attempt to force compliance. The thing is that it's never been fully tested. In all the cases I've reviewed, either the person re…

Do you have a job or family? How long would the former keep you employed? How long would the latter last without your support? Could you afford legal fees without employment? It's cool to say these things, but the system is weighted against protest. You must be ready to sacrifice everything for your principles.

That's why I specifically said nobody is obligated to protest.

Personally, I'm quite well-positioned to be able to do this. I'm a young self-employed single white man with no family to support. My net worth is probably enough to pay the legal fees (though I hope that this is the sort of case the ACLU or EFF would support).

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