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Time to Take a Stand
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#452Earlier quoted context omitted.
Reviewing the visa process is fine However the lack of concern with Saudi Arabian citizens just shows how this is nothing but smoke and mirrors
Agreed. Given their history, and the involvement of officials of Saudi Gov in 9/11, they should also be included. Obvious reason I can think for not doing it are - business ties : weak reason - given that, as little as we'd like the country, it's a stable one, and this could destabilize it, and the entire region, even more : weak reason too - US currently engaged in a war with Yemen with Saudi allies : strong reason.…
> False. It's incomplete.
Such an obvious vulnerability as this is either gross incompetence or due to the original action being nothing more than smoke and mirrors. Pick one
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#453Why is that all of these posts saying to "take a stand" fail to explain the political process? I'll just quote myself here. If you want to help stop trump the most effective ways are to: 1. Call - Local congresspeople (http://www.house.gov/representatives/find/) - Senators (https://www.senate.gov/senators/contact/) - Local officials (https://www.usa.gov/elected-officials) 2. Participate - Get involved in local electi…
How about the best way:
7. THINK
Think up better arguments, that might convince people. Examine your own opinions, to see whether they're actually right. Examine your opponents' opinions, to see whether they're right too. Maybe come up with new ways of thinking about the issue which are better than the way anyone's thinking about them at the moment. And then start talking.
People in politics should put less thought into HOW CAN I SPEAK LOUDER and more thought into how they can think of smarter things to say?
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#454Earlier quoted context omitted.
Note, this is far broader than the refugee ban initially discussed. The ban truly is a Muslim ban. See quote from Reuters -- it bans permanent residents (i.e. greencard holders.) Note that permanent residents have to pay taxes even if living overseas! "It will bar green card holders," Gillian Christensen, acting Department of Homeland Security spokeswoman, said in an email. http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump…
Muslims, then GC holders. Very soon, certain group of citizens will suffer the same fate. The prison walls are getting closer... By the time you're able to reach out and touch them, it'd be too late.
Well, that didnt take long. The definition is about to get broader, per WSJ:
In a statement that the State Department is due to release, which was reviewed by The Wall Street Journal, the 90-day visa moratorium extends beyond just citizens of Iraq, Iran, Somalia, Sudan, Syria, Libya, and Yemen.
It also applies to people who originally hail from those countries but are traveling on a passport issued by any other nation, the statement notes. That means Iraqis seeking to enter the U.S. on a British passport, for instance, would be barred, according to a U.S. official...."
http://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-visa-ban-also-applies-to-c...
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#455It makes me sad that politics has made its way to the top of HN. I'm relatively new here. One of the things I love about the community is that it has been something of an oasis over the past few months. This is in no way intended to denigrate the esteemed author or his thesis. I'm just disappointed that we're at this point.
Me too. It even pops up on notifications that I set to filter out the top 5% (or so) of posts, so I don't miss anything that was really good.
When governments of "other countries" do something like this, it's a political post that has no place on HN. When it's America, oh boy do we get involved.
I understand this place is 90% American, but truly, there are plenty of other places to discuss this.
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#456Earlier quoted context omitted.
>How we can't go anywhere without the fear of being shot and killed by other black people. I'm not from the US but this really looks awful. I wouldn't set foot on this city even if you paid me a million dollars. http://crime.chicagotribune.com/
As a resident of that very city, I thank you for not bringing your bigoted behind here. Stay away, please. Edit: okay, that was not a great thing for me to say. Sorry. I'm just fed up with the repeated vilification of a great American city by the buffoon-in-chief. Yes, violence in the city is a big problem, but it's hardly its defining characteristic. Edit 2: apology rescinded.
Yes, don't worry--I'll stay away from a city that has 250 property crimes and 80 violent crimes every day while those in power keep looking the other way to be politically correct.
15 humans lost their lives yesterday in shootings, 268 during January: http://crime.chicagotribune.com/chicago/shootings
I suppose that'll end when Trump sends the Feds as he's promised on Twitter, though.
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#457You the people voted for him, so support him. Its a democracy. You dont always get what you want.
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#458It makes me sad that politics has made its way to the top of HN. I'm relatively new here. One of the things I love about the community is that it has been something of an oasis over the past few months. This is in no way intended to denigrate the esteemed author or his thesis. I'm just disappointed that we're at this point.
You can only afford to ignore politics for as long as it ignores you. This no longer ignores us, because it's affecting our friends, our companies, the pool of tech workers that make up the intelligence that builds Silicon Valley. This is entirely comparable to when Jewish scientists were first getting barred from getting positions in German universities. We are now seeing the much-publicised case of an Oscar-nominat…
> You can only afford to ignore politics for as long as it ignores you.
Hey it's totally ignoring me. So sorry for Americans here, but I agree with the person you're responding to: I too liked HN for being quiet about Donald duck.
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#459Earlier quoted context omitted.
Then just skip to violence and stop wasting time? You can absolutely change closed minds, and I don't think most of those people's minds are as closed as you perceive them to be.
I'm not advocating violence. You can't have a rational discussion with people who believe the universe is 6000 years old.
Violence is usually the outcome when political discussion breaks down. So if your belief that discussion with Trump supporters is impossible is true, it would seem like time to hop to it.
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#460Earlier quoted context omitted.
There's nothing more American than voicing your dissent. You are way off base here. You're also wrong about what the ACLU does.
No.Downvote away. I don't care at this point. This community is so liberal it's nauseating. Give it a few years and the scales will tip. When you down vote comments you don't like, it's no different than reddit or discourse or yahoo news.
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