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This Is Not a Day Care. It’s a University

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Re: This Is Not a Day Care. It’s a University

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Post by Kalium »

jrlocke wrote: post #187
sago wrote: post #6

I think the world would be better if, before you're allowed to respond to someone being wrong, you have to first be able to express their position in a way that they agree represents their view. Because 'political correctness' isn't the cancer at the heart of social politics, it is straw-manning. On both sides of every issue. I'd be surprised, perhaps even amazed, if Dr Piper had represented the complaint in any way…

Daniel Dennett refers to this as Rapoports rule. How to compose a successful critical commentary: You should attempt to re-express your target’s position so clearly, vividly, and fairly that your target says, “Thanks, I wish I’d thought of putting it that way. You should list any points of agreement (especially if they are not matters of general or widespread agreement). You should mention anything you have learned f…

From experience, this often works with essentially reasonable people but occasionally is prone to spectacular failures. Some people have difficulty accepting the possibility that a human being can both understand their position and not be in perfect agreement with it.

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Post by jazzyk »

EthanHeilman wrote: post #331
yummyfajitas wrote: post #170

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't understand - a white supremacist took a quantity from the DOJ, then took a percentage from the DOJ, and multiplied them together to get a new quantity. Does multiplication become invalid when a white supremacist does it? Or do DOJ stats become false when a racist cites them? Please, I would like to understand your logic. I do find it a bit scary that when I google "black on white crime", only racist sites sho…

The source of information matters. This is doubly true for statistical claims since: * statistics are often counter-intuitive, * they are easy to manipulate or misinterpret, * manipulation requires significant effort to discover, * they are sometimes correct in form but the data is biased, * bias in the data might have been mentioned by the initial data collectors but the analyzers may omit it (either intentionally o…

But the original source of the information is the DOJ.

Government statistics may not always be perfect, but are you implying that the government is guilty of purposefully manipulating data? Why?

Re: This Is Not a Day Care. It’s a University

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Post by laotzu »

DarkTree wrote: post #410
laotzu wrote: post #209

The Gift of Insults, an old zen tale: There once lived a great warrior. Though quite old, he still was able to defeat any challenger. His reputation extended far and wide throughout the land and many students gathered to study under him.One day an infamous young warrior arrived at the village. He was determined to be the first man to defeat the great master. Along with his strength, he had an uncanny ability to spot…

I had not read this before, but I really like it. Correct me if I'm wrong, but my takeaway is that since the old master did not accept the young warrior's insults, the insults remained with the young warrior, almost as if he was insulting himself. In relation to the article, those who blame others for their victimization are in fact pointing out their own flaws.

Yes.

Re: This Is Not a Day Care. It’s a University

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Post by daveguy »

rs999gti wrote: post #413
gotchange wrote: post #398

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So, it's basically a re-education (indoctrination) camp disguised as an educational institution and therefore I concur with that "prof" in his plea with that student to beat it and get the heck out of there ASAP and leave this wonderful Christian madrassa and its faculty alone pondering over extremely important theological questions.

Dude, it's a christian evangelical university - http://www.okwu.edu/about/ It's not like they are disguising that fact.

Yeah. It's not re-education. It's continuing education.

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Post by roosterjm2k2 »

jessaustin wrote: post #429
darkr wrote: post #389

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> It's honestly baffling because I am sure there are hundreds of very smart people there who must realize this, including the professors and administration. Well, they can't be that smart, given they haven't yet figured out that there is no supernatural dude who lives in the sky who communicates with them telepathically, and there is no such thing as ghosts (holy or otherwise).

I am not religious, but this is simply prejudice, and it doesn't belong here. What a sheltered life you claim to have led, not to have met anyone "smart" who is also religious.

It's not prejudice to point out absurdity. Religion is simply that... and while there may be some intelligent people, I would say that anyone who believes in supernatural sky beings that run everything and watch every move and every thought of every human is not smart.

I think smart is the application of intelligence, and while intelligent, the religious are not "smart" in that area.

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Post by javajosh »

Kalium wrote: post #435
javajosh wrote: post #391

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I think there's something to the idea of "consensual communication". It's odd that we don't allow people to shove food into your mouth without asking but we surely allow people to shovel words into your brain without asking. "Safe spacers" just want a generalization of an ad blocker, and I for one support their right to it (even the ones that go way too far, because determining that is not up to me.)

While I'm not opposed to the notion of "consensual communication", your food analogy raises a question for me. With food, you can examine it pre-eating and have a pretty good idea of what it is and what's likely to be in it. How do you propose to determine what words you will or won't allow someone to "shovel into your brain" without allowing them access first?

I think it's pretty easy to imagine. "Would you like to see an ad for Viagra? Y/N" "I want to tell you about my views on Obama (negative). Y/N". "Would you like to hear my view on Creationism (positive). Y/N"

The basic protocol requires an accurate summary of the topic and the sentiment from the initiator, and a single bit from the target.

BTW this is essentially how Mormon missionaries do it ("Do you want to hear about my views on Jesus (positive)? Y/N", and I think it's great.

Re: This Is Not a Day Care. It’s a University

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Post by darkr »

jessaustin wrote: post #429
darkr wrote: post #389

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's honestly baffling because I am sure there are hundreds of very smart people there who must realize this, including the professors and administration. Well, they can't be that smart, given they haven't yet figured out that there is no supernatural dude who lives in the sky who communicates with them telepathically, and there is no such thing as ghosts (holy or otherwise).

I am not religious, but this is simply prejudice, and it doesn't belong here. What a sheltered life you claim to have led, not to have met anyone "smart" who is also religious.

> What a sheltered life you claim to have led, not to have met anyone "smart" who is also religious.

Perhaps, although maybe in my social bubble in London, Christians just aren't all that common, smart or otherwise. My last interaction with a Christian was my ex-neighbours. Lovely friendly family, or so we thought until we saw & heard them carrying out exorcisms on terrified, screaming children in their kitchen. I called the police.

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Post by xmlblog »

"The primary objective of the Church and the Christian faith is your confession, not your self-actualization." That would be healthy if the confession were the vehicle to self-actualization. Talk about confusing the means and the end. Too bad, because everything before that point was perfectly said.

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Post by roosterjm2k2 »

jessaustin wrote: post #429
darkr wrote: post #389

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's honestly baffling because I am sure there are hundreds of very smart people there who must realize this, including the professors and administration. Well, they can't be that smart, given they haven't yet figured out that there is no supernatural dude who lives in the sky who communicates with them telepathically, and there is no such thing as ghosts (holy or otherwise).

I am not religious, but this is simply prejudice, and it doesn't belong here. What a sheltered life you claim to have led, not to have met anyone "smart" who is also religious.

It's not prejudice to point out absurdity. Religion is simply that... and while there may be some intelligent people, I would say that anyone who believes in supernatural sky beings that run everything and watch every move and every thought of every human is not smart.

I think smart is the application of intelligence, and while intelligent, the religious are not "smart" in that area.

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