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State of emergency declared across France after Paris shootings and explosions

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Re: State of emergency declared across France after Paris shootings and explosions

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Post by Umn44 »

mtrpcic wrote: post #224
voynich61 wrote: post #190

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Only because people like you seem to think it's such a big deal. If people were to look at it as it is and comprehend the scope of the matter, it wouldn't damage the social fabric.

This statement is so naive that it blows me away. As toomuchtodo said, there's a huge difference between n car accidents per year, and the equivalent damage done by a terrorist attack, and the answer isn't just "stop making such a big deal about it". When I get into a car, I'm putting myself in a situation that could be dangerous, and am accepting those risks for the reward of not having to walk to work. When these p…

"This statement is so naive that it blows me away. As toomuchtodo said, there's a huge difference between n car accidents per year, and the equivalent damage done by a terrorist attack,"

Unfortunatley from a mathematical standpoint you are incorrect, from an irrational human standpoint you have a point however.

The human mind is much worse at reasoning and reality than anticipated, how you and others perceive the world is not as real as you'd like to think, thats the whole point of math and science:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYmi0DLzBdQ

Re: State of emergency declared across France after Paris shootings and explosions

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Post by ianamartin »

sohaeb wrote: post #342

As a muslim lurker of this amazing site I would like to express my sympathy to those who died and hope everyone will be safe. Also, those with comments that are trying to cause fear and hatred, you are just making other muslims living in the west feel scared and sad. I swear, right now im scared taht one day some people will be treating muslims just like how Americans used to treat black people in Slavery era. Even w…

As a not-believer-of-anything, I appreciate your post. Some, hopefully most people, are able to realize that this is not the work of Islam in general. As a white male living in NYC, I have no idea what it's like to be in your shoes, but I'm also afraid that there will be a backlash against you.

When I heard the news I went to the neighborhood deli shop to buy cigarettes. The owners and workers there are muslim. They had a TV set up and were watching the news. I hung out with them for an hour or so. Watching, talking, feeling, reacting. All of us just being human, as the vast majority of people do.

As I was leaving I said, "Vive la France." And everyone there started saying it too.

I hope for the sake of everyone that all of us can realize that this kind of behavior has nothing to do with the teachings of Islam or the vast majority of how muslims think.

My thoughts are with muslim people all over the world tonight just as much as they are with the people of France. There will be reprisals against innocent people. But I will argue and fight against those just as much as I support and care about those who have lost loved ones in Paris today.

Re: State of emergency declared across France after Paris shootings and explosions

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Post by adrianmpc »

deanCommie wrote: post #111

And here come the "Obviously this is going to happen, France is 10% muslim" posts. If you marginalize people, mistrust them, do not make an effort to integrate them, and make them feel like the only place where they are welcome is segregated communities, don't be surprised when they radicalize. This has happened all throughout history, and will continue without changes. Conservatives scream that Liberals are too soft…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYiCizcm9wA

Re: State of emergency declared across France after Paris shootings and explosions

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Post by aikah »

mmastrac wrote: post #169
aikah wrote: post #123

French and living in Paris here. I'm at home fortunately but I live nearby the places in the eastern side of Paris that were attacked. Don't know what to say , just that I hope everybody and their families are safe. This is hard, a very hard hit on my country. Vive la France.

This is such a terrible event. Our hearts in Canada go out to you. Be safe.

Thanks , I've been in your country 3 years ago for 3 month, it's absolutely gorgeous. Many thanks.

Re: State of emergency declared across France after Paris shootings and explosions

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Post by aikah »

jacquesm wrote: post #161
aikah wrote: post #123

French and living in Paris here. I'm at home fortunately but I live nearby the places in the eastern side of Paris that were attacked. Don't know what to say , just that I hope everybody and their families are safe. This is hard, a very hard hit on my country. Vive la France.

Strength on you. What a mess, those poor people.

Thanks for your kind message. It means a lot to me coming from you.

Re: State of emergency declared across France after Paris shootings and explosions

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Post by kgwgk »

Retric wrote: post #448
kgwgk wrote: post #397

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There were less than 100 homicides in Paris in 2012 and 2013 [1]. More than 100 might have been killed today. [1] http://www.lefigaro.fr/actualite-france/2015/05/05/01016-201...

And compared to the average for that block it's even worse. The point being of the people murdered in France this year less than 1/5th of them where killed by terrorists. Yet, the other 4/5th don't make international news. Yes, this is a tragedy, so are all those other deaths. PS: Even at over twice the normal rate, the average US city is far worse every year.

There are around 700 people murdered in France each year. But in most cases it's someone from your family killing you, or someone that hates you for some reason, or you're involved in criminal activities.

Maybe there are 100 people killed in France in a typical year by complete strangers. And we're talking about 180 people (maybe more) killed in 2015 by complete strangers and in the name of Allah. I don't think that can be easily ignored.

Re: State of emergency declared across France after Paris shootings and explosions

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Post by dang »

NoCulturalFit wrote: post #441
jacquesm wrote: post #429

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I actually happen to know what that means and I take offense at your stupid slur.

Doesn't make you less of a useful Dhimmi no matter how much offense you decided to take when identifying as a Dhimmi.

We've banned this account for repeatedly violating the HN guidelines.

Re: State of emergency declared across France after Paris shootings and explosions

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Post by dang »

NoCulturalFit wrote: post #282

Right... Well while you live in that Utopia of yours, large groups of Sunni fanatics are currently commuting genocide against non Sunni. How much % of Muslims should think killing apostates is okay until you deem it incompatible with France liberal policies. It's because of dhimmis like you that Le Pen is winning. Wake up and smell your ashes. Edit: someone really needs to look up what Dhimmi means before they actual…

We've banned this account for repeatedly breaking the HN guidelines. Personal attacks and religious flamewars are two of the things not allowed here.

We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10563283 and marked it off-topic.

Re: State of emergency declared across France after Paris shootings and explosions

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Post by jacquesm »

d4rkph1b3r wrote: post #321
jacquesm wrote: post #235

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I don't doubt that. But that still does not mean that being a Muslim has anything to do with it. In fact, even if it turns out that all of the attackers were Muslims then that still holds true. How that works I'll leave as an exercise for you to work out but let's just say that the basis of a solution to this whole problem is somewhere in there and that I strongly believe that it starts with a complete lack of genera…

I see your point. Not that long ago a white supremacist shot up a black church in the name of America and Christianity but we aren't condemning everyone in those groups. However it would be fair to condemn the small society (ghetto if you will) that allowed this to happen. In the same way I can blame the anti-integration Muslims without blaming Islam itself.

Yes, you got it perfectly.

Re: State of emergency declared across France after Paris shootings and explosions

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Post by kgwgk »

scrollaway wrote: post #338
Shivetya wrote: post #252

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you underestimate the impact this type of terrorism has. The real massive danger is constantly trying to downplay it. The simple fact is, when facing an irrational enemy the last thing you can do is try to shift the blame to those who react.

The enemy is not irrational. The moment you understand that, you'll understand why fear is not the answer.

Someone blowing himself up is not irrational?
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