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Re: OnHub

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Post by melvinram »

fweespeech wrote: post #396
melvinram wrote: post #363

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My point: you're a random stranger saying to another random stranger "trust me" without justifying your request to trust you. Why should I trust you? Your reply: After I've convinced them that I know enough to fix the problem (by either demonstrating my expertise/qualifications/experience or getting someone else to vouch for me), they believe me. Well duh! If you demonstrate why they should trust you, they'll trust y…

Given I suggested a free solution it doesn't really require much trust. But hey, go keep trusting the people who already screwed you.

You're going off the deep end now.

Re: OnHub

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Post by erbdex »

mtgx wrote: post #180
ropiku wrote: post #105

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Given that it has ZigBee, Bluetooth 4.0 I think it's meant to be a hub. It also mentions Weave which would work well together with Nest: https://nest.com/support/article/How-does-Nest-Protect-conne...

What about Thread?

Thread and Zigbee both work on 802.15.4, which it supports.

Re: OnHub

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Post by BufordTJustice »

dzhiurgis wrote: post #425
astrocyte wrote: post #398

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It isn't just specific to home automation. The same paranoia should apply to all data and will once people understand the gaping holes in existing cloud centric/data funneling architectures. In the meantime, a new approach to the problem is worth looking into. As the speed of technological innovation increases more and more, so will the disruptive paradigm shifts.. and this cloud model is long overdue for one.

Yeah, but by giving more data you let software to personalize better. So by reducing your data exposure you are acting as techno-Luddite stiffing progress. I don't think we will suddenly abandon the cloud. If anything, we will centralize even more information. My biggest philosophical debate is what will happen to people who deliberately protect their information. Surely they are meatier targets by various adversarie…

> Yeah, but by giving more data you let software to personalize better. So by reducing your data exposure you are acting as techno-Luddite stiffing progress.

Is this sarcasm? I guess I fail to understand how Google now knowing all the details of my life impedes "progress". It shouldn't stop them from developing new technology; why does the "cloud" need to figure out how to "personalize" things more for me anyways, outside of the obvious answer to serve up better targeted ads (which I'd rather make go away by any means necessary)?

Re: OnHub

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Post by dmayle »

cmrdporcupine wrote: post #285
andresmanz wrote: post #266

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Thanks, but shouldn't these features be optional? I still don't get why I need a Google Account.

The router is cloud configured from your mobile device, that is how it works. Some cloud services for the device are actually optional. But AFAIK you still need a Google Account. Here is the help page on the topic of data collection and privacy: https://support.google.com/onhub/answer/6246642?hl=en&ref_to... And see also, how to set a whole bunch of privacy settings: https://support.google.com/onhub/answer/6279845?vi…

Is guest access on a private SSID? Is my traffic separate from theirs? What about VPN support? I was getting ready to by an Asus router because I'm in the market for one, and it's at a similar price point. The three features I'm most interested in are QOS (which it looks like you have), having guests segregated from my network, and VPN access to my server

Re: OnHub

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Post by 1SockChuck »

jefurii wrote: post #414
ultimape wrote: post #351

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I personally think the real answer is not to have a central device, but to spread it out into a peer2peer 'fog'. There's been some movement in industrial applications via stuff like https://twitter.com/FilamentHQ which leverages hardware accelerated ECC and telehash, using blockchain based DNS systems and other decentralized methods of command and control. I think a similar direction needs to be taken for consumer ha…

"fog computing" is an awesome term!

It's been actively used by Cisco for several years. http://blogs.cisco.com/perspectives/iot-from-cloud-to-fog-co...

Re: OnHub

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Post by Natanael_L »

lifeisstillgood wrote: post #417
astrocyte wrote: post #389

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I'm glad that people found this to be a point of significance. I've worked in the commercial networking hardware industry for some years and shelved several consumer ideas due to a lack of interest in security/privacy. I have watched over many years as this 'cloud' software bonanza has eclipsed the tech industry. It went away from its original intent a long time ago and now is used as the holy-grail method of : > ens…

I agree with the idea that the best protecting n for privacy is to make it expensive to snoop - it's worked for thousands of years so far. My concern is how to make the benefits of this huge amount of data (medical information, travel etc) possible while charging the other use. It's just - how - does one attach the metadata and enforce the lolicensing?

Multiparty Computation, homomorphic encryption, Private Information Retrieval, etc...

Unfortunately they're not very efficient, and have limited security guarantees. But that's part of an approach to do it securely.

Re: OnHub

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Post by jordanthoms »

BetaCygni wrote: post #430
pbowyer wrote: post #374

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How do DrayTek products rank these days? When I was on ADSL they were excellent, and their UK-tuned firmware outperformed Linksys & Netgear. Now I'm on fibre I'm using the Draytek purely as an access point, and BT's modem to connect. The Draytek'll need replacing soon.

DrayTek sucks as a router, those things need to be rebooted all the time. Use an EdgeRouter.

No experience with Draytek's routers, but I've been happy with their ADSL/VDSL modems (Vigor 120/130). They have some really nice features, like PPPoA -> PPPoE passthrough.

Re: OnHub

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Post by georgemcbay »

dysoco wrote: post #364
keehun wrote: post #353

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This is exactly why I found the Google branding a bit weird. The smart guys over there surely must know that a lot of us would be suspicious of this device. Why didn't they brand it under Nest, or a new Google subsidiary that would take the initial suspicion-edge off? I think it's a good router at a decent price, but no way I'm putting that inside my house!

I'm going to make a guess and say that this is going to sell just because it's Google branded.

I'm not buying it precisely because it is Google branded.

Unlike most of the comments here it isn't a privacy issue for me, I totally respect the privacy argument but personally just don't care enough to make decisions based on it... for me, the issue is that when I think of Google and hardware I think of the Nexus Q, Google TV, etc. Google suddenly (and relatively quickly) drops projects like this on a fairly regular basis and when the whole thing is all "cloud-this-cloud-that" dropping support basically means you've got a conversation-starting paperweight.

Re: OnHub

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Post by astrocyte »

lifeisstillgood wrote: post #417
astrocyte wrote: post #389

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm glad that people found this to be a point of significance. I've worked in the commercial networking hardware industry for some years and shelved several consumer ideas due to a lack of interest in security/privacy. I have watched over many years as this 'cloud' software bonanza has eclipsed the tech industry. It went away from its original intent a long time ago and now is used as the holy-grail method of : > ens…

I agree with the idea that the best protecting n for privacy is to make it expensive to snoop - it's worked for thousands of years so far. My concern is how to make the benefits of this huge amount of data (medical information, travel etc) possible while charging the other use. It's just - how - does one attach the metadata and enforce the lolicensing?

Therein lies the 'product' ... I'm working on several projects so I wasn't shy to put the general idea of this one out there... It's one of many things I feel passionately are going to be changed by disruptive paradigm shifts ahead.

That being said, you come up w/ the 'solution' and you'll have your 'product'... I already have a general architecture/approach outlined for myself. Create one and, from the looks of the interest here, you'll have an audience to buy it.

Also, with the scale and depth of hacks occurring around the world, you'll soon have an even broader audience.

If you get funded, look me up ;). I'll be looking for work in the coming months =P.

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