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Re: Coming Soon to Hacker News: Pending Comments

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post #74

I don't think I will ever hit 1000 karma on HN which is fine. However what is the current standing of users with this karma that are actively? I hope there are enough. Thanks!

As I said here (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7446808), there are about 4.6k that have >1000 karma.

Re: Coming Soon to Hacker News: Pending Comments

#444
post #274

My may concern with this system: Sledgehammer meets tack. The comments on HN aren't perfect, but they're far from bad when compared to other sites of this nature. There has been a downwards trend most probably due to the increasing popularity of HN. A response is warranted. However, this system has the potential to silence a lot of high quality comments on any threads that aren't on the front-page for an extended per…

I disagree that it needs to be done gradually.

They can roll it out tonight and immediately roll it back if it is stifling conversation in a way that causes more harm than it resolves. They can also iterate on it if any part of it works in a way that isn't optimal.

Essentially, if you trust HN/YC to not leave something horribly broken, there is nothing to worry about. The code is not set in stone, and you can bet they'll be watching closely for anything not working well about the new system.

Re: Coming Soon to Hacker News: Pending Comments

#446
post #274

My may concern with this system: Sledgehammer meets tack. The comments on HN aren't perfect, but they're far from bad when compared to other sites of this nature. There has been a downwards trend most probably due to the increasing popularity of HN. A response is warranted. However, this system has the potential to silence a lot of high quality comments on any threads that aren't on the front-page for an extended per…

For note, HN isn't necessarily increasing in popularity. Number of HN submissions over 3 years: http://i.imgur.com/r9Ayvb1.png Number of HN comments over 3 years: http://i.imgur.com/4FwglA8.png

Does that graph include comments under "submissions", or only stories? I bet the latter. There are only so many conceivably-appropriate-for-HN stories out there, and many of the rest get taken out as spam.

If the number of comments, on the other hand, hadn't gone up since 2012, I'd be shocked.

Re: Coming Soon to Hacker News: Pending Comments

#447

This is ridiculous. It's bad enough that people are downvoted for contrarian opinions, but now our comments need to be vetted by the elite HN users before they can be shown to the rest. I don't get it. This site looks like something made in 1996 (with absolutely no regard for readability), but the big new upgrade we're getting is a draconian (and wholly unnecessary) comment moderation feature/policy? A lot of HN user…

It's important to remember that news.yc is, and always will be, a Y Combinator owned private website.

It's the community which is what made it what it is today, but there's no question that it's by no means a democracy. I had to come to grips with this a long time ago after getting slowbanned and my submission privileges revoked a year ago without any prior warning whatsoever. It was a stupid article, yes, but come on.

Twas then when I learned that PG is Mussolini in disguise. Hey, at least he made the comments run on "quality." (terrible joke, I know)

Re: Coming Soon to Hacker News: Pending Comments

#448
post #422

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I can't wait for the first "I endorsed this just so I can tell you how stupid you are" comment.

You can tell someone they're wrong about something without 1) thinking that person is generally stupid 2) being mean, of course. (e.g. if someone says "I think bitcoin is the first digital currency system which has attracted VC interest", I'd love it if someone from Flooz/Beanz (late-90s), or DigiCash (1980s-1990s) or various stored value systems would comment and say "Actually, ...")

Oh I know, but inevitably someone is going to use this endorse thing as a way to be incredibly condescending. Hopefully this system will then prevent that post to show, but I doubt it.

Re: Coming Soon to Hacker News: Pending Comments

#449
post #272

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think one compromise could be to remove this restriction from users with > x karma. It's not ideal to me but it is something ...

It is, actually. Comments by users with over 10k karma go live immediately.

Unfortunate, and I say that as a user with more than 10k karma. All comments should earn their endorsements on their own. High karma users are as capable of mean/stupid comments as anyone.

Re: Coming Soon to Hacker News: Pending Comments

#450
post #28

Someone who has a pending comment will have to wait till it goes live to post another. We're hoping that good comments will get endorsed so quickly that there won't be a noticeable delay. Is there some timeout? If not, commenting on a several-day-old thread will guarantee that you can never post another comment, since once threads drop off the front page it's not likely that many 1000+ karma users will even see those…

Hmm, trust cperciva to find the thing I'd overlooked. I'll add a pending page that collects pending comments. Maybe that will solve the problem.

Ok, so those of us with 1k+ karma will have the option of creating an new account for posting, leaving the old one to just be used for endorsing our pending comments...

Now, since we're great guys and girls (having reached 1k karma) we wouldn't do that of course.

I still think slashdot has the least bad large-scale, distributed moderating system I'm aware of -- I think maybe being able to thread and filter on votes/mods is a better approach. Still, it'll be interesting to see how this thing plays out.

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