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Apple Unveils The iPhone 5S

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Re: Apple Unveils The iPhone 5S

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This is what I don't like about apple the 5s $199 version has 16GB and the 5c $199 version has 32GB. They should have at-lease giving us 24GB for 5s $199. Apple being apple trying to keep margins high. The new colors kind of suck but great for high school girls.

I also found it odd.

The 5c for $200 seems better than the 5s with 16GB. At least to me, the extra storage makes the 5C more appealing.

Re: Apple Unveils The iPhone 5S

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An internet-enabled smartphone fp-reader is probably just a little more accurate than a random penny floating about in society.......-_-

Actually, random banknotes can usually be traced to a specific person, so any DNA traces could probably be linked - there have been experiments that show that majority of non-tiny banknotes are [A] put in ATM [B] given out to a known person; [C] given to a shop/vendor; [D] retrieved by the bank. So, given multiple banknotes, they could reasonably list the identities of people who shopped in that shop, simply by looki…

That I can understand, but it's "approximate" info on a banknote that probably has a couple of fingerprints. Even if the store had a video-camera, it's gonna be a bit tough to figure out exactly who gave a given $20 bill to the cashier. And since this person is using cash and not a creditcard, all they got is a (usually bad-quality) store-cam of someone that they think is the one who handed a given $20 bill to the cashier... meh, that's pretty fuzzy. Even if I told the FBI that I'm going to the mall and I will spend a $20 bill this Saturday, I think it would still be exceedingly difficult to find the exact bill unless they were tailing me the whole time. In which case I've already been located & identified by the FBI as a person-of-interest within their physical reach, so I'm already as good as dead.

Re: Apple Unveils The iPhone 5S

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"subpoena proof" ... hmm Do you believe disabling the reader in a software-setting is enough to be sure it's not working? I don't. With all these NSA concerns going about, having a hardware fingerprint-reader on your smartphone that you can't avoid touching is something to think about.

"If you've ever handled a penny, the government's got your DNA. Why do you think they keep 'em in circulation?" - Simpsons

They undoubtedly have the fingerprints of any American they care to (hell, they got mine during 4th grade when a police officer came to our school to "teach us about fingerprinting"). However iPhones are of course used throughout the world...

Even ignoring the specific issue of fingerprints, which I am not convinced is a major concern, the widespread use gives numerous other reasons for pause.

Re: Apple Unveils The iPhone 5S

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it HAS already leaked that emails, browsing, who knows what else, is being sucked up by NSA ... so apparently it doesn't matter. Apple is still selling plenty of iPhones, people are still using Gmail, etc etc. Apparently Americans don't much care.

What? Is iPhone leaking emails and browsing? Can you provide me more information on that? If you're talking about ISP monitoring, that's not specific to the iPhone, and not relevant to this discussion.

Apple was added to the PRISM program in 2010 iirc, and PRISM is a program designed for one purpose: surreptitious data collection.

Re: Apple Unveils The iPhone 5S

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I'm just playing Devil's Advocate here, but if in fact the NSA required copies of all fingerprints, I doubt Apple would be allowed to publicize it.

Nor would they bother explicitly highlighting that it's kept local...

Honestly, to effectively market this technology in today's waters, they have to say that it's kept local.

If they send out 8 bytes of your fingerprint data hidden in every picture you take (so your fingerprint can be regenerated by looking at your first 500 pictures) I doubt anyone will ever find it.

Re: Apple Unveils The iPhone 5S

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The government has given legal immunity to telecoms that collaborated with NSA spying in the past, I'm sure they'd extend that immunity to Apple if need be.

The class action lawsuit would be brought based on the fact that Apple sold the device on a lie. The government can't grant immunity for that.

"The government can't grant immunity for that." ... come on.

I don't recall the exact wording of that law, IMHO it already covers such argument, but if not, it just needs a single sentence amendment. Government certainly can grant immunity against pretty much any civil claims.

They also can pass a law stating "Any and all contracts between Apple and 'gareim' shall be considered null and void.", though they probably won't do that - but adding an exception to the laws regulating advertising truthfulness is trivial. In fact, they could simply revoke those laws and then noone could bring any class actions for 'being sold a product on a lie'; class actions as such were only made possible by specific regulations and congress could eliminate the whole concept of class action suits if they wished to.

Re: Apple Unveils The iPhone 5S

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Actually, my gym (24 Hr Fitness) uses fingerprint scanners to sign people in. I hadn't really given it much thought before, but indeed, it would be possible for their system to be compromised and for my fingerprint data to be released into the wild...

Yes, hackers could compromise your gym's systems, steal your fingerprint data, and then use it to... mooch off your gym membership?

It's terrible security practice, but the average person reuses fingerprints. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news.

Re: Apple Unveils The iPhone 5S

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So does your iPhone's home button.

Yea but they explicitly say it has a fingerprint sensor.

Which seems like the more likely covert NSA spy device? The iPhone fingerprint sensor that Apple prominently mentioned in a product launch or the hidden ATM fingerprint sensor that your bank says isn't there?

Re: Apple Unveils The iPhone 5S

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Probably when the NSA stops illegally spying on the citizens it is supposed to serve.

More snark. This isn't helpful. For those who want to believe it, I doubt there is any amount of information that could ever be released to convince them that the NSA isn't spying on people anymore.

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Re: Apple Unveils The iPhone 5S

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I don't have a problem with the fingerprint scanner, since people can choose to use it or not. The larger problem I see for the 5S is a marketing one: while the A7 processor and internal redesign are significant technical achievements, consumers won't understand that or care. They know that their existing iPhone 5's are relatively fast, and that will be enough for most people. They needed to add features - not necess…

This phone takes way better pictures and has a longer battery life. There, features people care about.

But it doesn't have better battery life. It has very similar battery life to the last one according to Apple's own figures.
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