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Confirmed: The NSA is Spying on Millions of Americans

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Post by wolfpackk »

robomartin wrote: post #429
wolfpackk wrote: post #345

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Merely reflecting the tone you've taken throughout this post. Then to use the passive-aggressive "May I suggest getting an education" bit is incredibly condescending, especially given that your position of less-government is universally better, after being scrubbed of the sensationalist rhetoric you are spewing, has literally 0 empirical evidence behind it. There is a reason Austrian economics is not taken seriously.…

You are a piece of work, aren't you? Interesting that you went back and researched my comment history. So, your assumption was that I am a kid looking for a CS degree? Now, that's really funny! Thanks.

I just found it ironic that you tell someone to get educated, when you don't have a degree, which is pretty obvious given your inability to ignore rhetoric and respond to the merits of an argument. U mad

Re: Confirmed: The NSA is Spying on Millions of Americans

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Post by [deleted] »

robomartin wrote: post #429
wolfpackk wrote: post #345

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Merely reflecting the tone you've taken throughout this post. Then to use the passive-aggressive "May I suggest getting an education" bit is incredibly condescending, especially given that your position of less-government is universally better, after being scrubbed of the sensationalist rhetoric you are spewing, has literally 0 empirical evidence behind it. There is a reason Austrian economics is not taken seriously.…

You are a piece of work, aren't you? Interesting that you went back and researched my comment history. So, your assumption was that I am a kid looking for a CS degree? Now, that's really funny! Thanks.

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Re: Confirmed: The NSA is Spying on Millions of Americans

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Post by zecho »

flagnog wrote: post #360
zecho wrote: post #356

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I realize I'm unfairly ignoring 90% of your rant, but I just want to say I disagree with "too much government" as the issue here. When my computer breaks, I don't throw away my computer. I fix the problem. Size doesn't matter. Focus does. Large organizations can have plenty of thoughtful focus, too. When two terrorists explode bombs at a public event, I definitely don't want less "gumment." I want effective governmen…

yeah, but when your computer breaks it doesn't pull out a firearm and order you to add drives, a better graphics card, more monitors and a faster internet connection. And then raid your bank account if you don't do it fast enough. Size does matter.

I don't think the government has done that to any US citizen regarding NSA wiretapping or data collections under FISA. Please don't conflate secret national security courts and closed meetings with fantasy. It doesn't help any discussion.

Re: Confirmed: The NSA is Spying on Millions of Americans

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Post by foobarqux »

jl6 wrote: post #388
foobarqux wrote: post #235

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Elizabeth Warren's research would be a good place to start. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akVL7QY0S8A#t=8m25s

Sorry, I wish I had time to watch an hour-long YouTube video :( I was hoping that, if this claim were true, it would be easy to demonstrate with a graph or some numbers.

I linked to a relevant time stamp which has a graph and presumably "some numbers".

Re: Confirmed: The NSA is Spying on Millions of Americans

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Post by [deleted] »

jl6 wrote: post #388
foobarqux wrote: post #235

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Elizabeth Warren's research would be a good place to start. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akVL7QY0S8A#t=8m25s

Sorry, I wish I had time to watch an hour-long YouTube video :( I was hoping that, if this claim were true, it would be easy to demonstrate with a graph or some numbers.

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Re: Confirmed: The NSA is Spying on Millions of Americans

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Post by flagnog »

zecho wrote: post #443
flagnog wrote: post #360

Earlier quoted context omitted.

yeah, but when your computer breaks it doesn't pull out a firearm and order you to add drives, a better graphics card, more monitors and a faster internet connection. And then raid your bank account if you don't do it fast enough. Size does matter.

I don't think the government has done that to any US citizen regarding NSA wiretapping or data collections under FISA. Please don't conflate secret national security courts and closed meetings with fantasy. It doesn't help any discussion.

the fantasy would be if we didn't have the secret courts and illegal wiretapping by an administration that promised to be the most transparent in history.

Re: Confirmed: The NSA is Spying on Millions of Americans

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Post by graycat »

rdouble wrote: post #439
machfive wrote: post #411

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while you make good points, please stop spelling it 'gumment', it makes you sound like one of the nutjobs.

I've never been able to figure the gumment/gubmint guys out. Are they making fun of rednecks? Or are they assuming the role of some sort of redneck freedom fighter? Do rednecks even say "gumment?"

I don't remember just where I got 'gumment', but I did spend a lot of time in Tennessee!

But, I stand corrected and more highly polished before the more sensitive HN audience and will use 'government' (cough, cough, upchuck).

But we should always keep in mind who's paying the bills: They are supposed to be working for us.

Re: Confirmed: The NSA is Spying on Millions of Americans

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Post by graycat »

walshemj wrote: post #379
graycat wrote: post #353

Gee, let's see: All that NSA 'big data', every phone call, from, to, time, etc. Then we had the wacko Boston bombers. So, apparently the great, all powerful, all seeing, all knowing NSA didn't see those two wackos coming. But, but, but, how could the poor, little NSA be expected to see two, obscure, wacko nutjobs? Well, let's see: The Russians told us over and over that those guys were wackos and dangerous. Told us f…

well woudl you take what the FSB says on face value? I sure the FSB told MI5 that Litvinenko was a "wacko nutjob"

Certainly not at face value. Instead, have to take what they say as a starting point, a lead, but one from possibly a quite well informed source. Of course, we can't really trust the source, even if they are well informed.

But, heck, all we will get from the NSA and their Utah computers are leads that are just starting points.

As I recall, one of the US three letter acronyms, well before the Boston Marathon, actually did look into the two Boston loser, wacko nutjobs and then mostly dropped the effort. Looks like we needed just better police work.

Maybe this time the Russians actually tried to help. Good. Then Tchaikovsky's music isn't the only good thing from Russia! Maybe next time the Russians will try to fool us; they will accumulate a track record, and in time we will see.

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